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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:53 pm 
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well im fine spending over 200 on this generator so its off to bunnings for me lol this is gonna be awesome
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:28 pm 
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well im fine spending over 200 on this generator so its off to bunnings for me lol this is gonna be awesome

photos and lots of em :lol:

 

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:59 pm 
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its no problem ill take lots of photos but it'll take a while to make since i don't have much time sorry about this but ill get working on it as soon as possible:)
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:16 pm 
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Volt amps and frequency is importan t...
You could also try a strong magnet on the fuel line. Can't remember if it needs to be negtive or postive but if you use the right one it helps oxygen to bond to the fuel before its burnt.

Why not skip HHO and build a Joe Cell. Apprenlty the inventor lives in melbourne.
i'll let you figure out how deep the rabbit hole is.
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:40 am 
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how's this project coming along?

I'm curious to know cause i have a 1.3 ford festiva i want to try this on.. but i bought my system and i am just waiting to buy a few more parts and then i will mount the system on a board, get the kinks out and then i will install into the car.

i'll let you know when i am ready to start the project.
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Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:40 am 
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Volt amps and frequency is importan t...
You could also try a strong magnet on the fuel line. Can't remember if it needs to be negtive or postive but if you use the right one it helps oxygen to bond to the fuel before its burnt.

Why not skip HHO and build a Joe Cell. Apprenlty the inventor lives in melbourne.
i'll let you figure out how deep the rabbit hole is.


not 100% sure if your serious or not :lol:

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:18 am 
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you guys will need an EFIE.

This device will fool the ECU into thinking that the correct amount of oxygen is being detected by the O2 sensors.

When you introduce HHO Gas into any system the ECU will try to compensate by pumping more fuel into the injectors because it thinks that the Fuel/Air ratio is incorrect.

So in reality you will be wasting more fuel rather than saving.

Another advantage of getting an EFIE is that you will not need to do a retune of the ECU.

Also to effectively run HHO Gas setup you need around 3 - 4 Litres per minute on a 4L engine.

I have a few of the parts purchased already.
1. EFIE
2. A 1 way flow valve (So Hydrogen doesnt go BOOM)

All i need now is the actual hydrogen generator kit which i will be purchasing very soon for almost $250 delivered (bubbler included) & i will be getting a CAPWM as well.

Another good investment is a CAPWM (Constant Amp Pulse Width Modulator). This way you can control & set the AMP's being used by the hydrogen generator.

I would say with a fairly decent setup etc expect anywhere between 20 - 50 percent fuel savings.

Not only that the engine will gain some RWKW's as well due to the more efficient burning of petrol/lpg.

One last note the environment will thank you too for creating less pollution :)
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:28 pm 
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If HHO is supposed to make the fuel burn more efficiently, then there would be even less oxygen in the exhaust, aka. the ECU would lean out the mixture until excess oxygen is detected again when it would then enrich the mixture, and so on.
Are you trying to say that the extra oxygen just flows through and doesn't react with the hydrogen at all, so we end up with Hydrogen as an exhaust emission?
Even if the HHO was completely inert, it would only displace oxygen from the cyclinder, which would lead to the ECU thinking it was in a rich condition, and lean the mixture out accordingly.


All the EFIE does is to lean out the standard mixture. Doing this alone will increase mileage. )And increase cylinder temperatures.)

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:53 am 
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If HHO is supposed to make the fuel burn more efficiently, then there would be even less oxygen in the exhaust, aka. the ECU would lean out the mixture until excess oxygen is detected again when it would then enrich the mixture, and so on.
Are you trying to say that the extra oxygen just flows through and doesn't react with the hydrogen at all, so we end up with Hydrogen as an exhaust emission?
Even if the HHO was completely inert, it would only displace oxygen from the cyclinder, which would lead to the ECU thinking it was in a rich condition, and lean the mixture out accordingly.


All the EFIE does is to lean out the standard mixture. Doing this alone will increase mileage. )And increase cylinder temperatures.)

So in your eyes is this idea a waste of time or will the efie along with the hho generator do what its meant to?
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:55 am 
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The whole lot is a load of BS.

It does work, but no where near even a fraction of what they claim.

How many amps does the generator use? 30A? that's 360 Watts at 12V.
They expect more than 0.36 kW power gain??

It all reeks of scam.

It seems to me the only way they are gaining any mileage is by leaning out the mixtures using the EFIE, which could be dangerous for the engine as the cylinder temps would be getting very high.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:50 am 
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MAD wrote:
The whole lot is a load of BS.

It does work, but no where near even a fraction of what they claim.

How many amps does the generator use? 30A? that's 360 Watts at 12V.
They expect more than 0.36 kW power gain??

It all reeks of scam.

It seems to me the only way they are gaining any mileage is by leaning out the mixtures using the EFIE, which could be dangerous for the engine as the cylinder temps would be getting very high.

you could be right mate. im not denying or confirming anything.

im game to try it on my vehicle.

ive got most of the parts, all i need is a couple more items & then i will be installing the unit.

i wont be running it at 30A but between 15A - 20A.

i think & i am hoping that this will be enough to help get better & cleaner mileage.
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:52 am 
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It's impossible in the real world to acheive more power out than power in.

15A at 13.7V is 205.5 Watts.
Even if it were possible to acheive a 100% conversion of energy, is an extra 0.255kW is going to make a difference to your fuel consumption?

All I'm saying is don't waste your money.

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:38 pm 
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Isn't the energy coming from the combustion of the Hydrogen though? You would end up with a loss if you tried to reverse the reaction to end up with water again. Doing the reaction one way though is fine, after all we already do that by using electrical energy to ignite petrol..

Having said that I wouldn't do it to my own engine, but I don't understand why people are saying it will result in a net loss of energy?

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:06 pm 
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The combustion of hydrogen is the same as, "reversing the reaction".
To burn hydrogen you need oxygen. When it burns, you end up with water vapour.

In any case, it is impossible to get more energy out than what you put in. It doesn't matter if the processes are different.

I haven't even considered the losses due to efficiency in my examples of why this doesn't work and is a scam to sell parts or plans. Losses due to the efficiency of the alternator to make the required power, losses in the engine itself being only around 30%-35% thermally efficient, losses in the HHO generator itself, etc etc.

Perpetual motion would be awesome.

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 2:44 pm 
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MAD wrote:
It's impossible in the real world to acheive more power out than power in.

15A at 13.7V is 205.5 Watts.
Even if it were possible to acheive a 100% conversion of energy, is an extra 0.255kW is going to make a difference to your fuel consumption?

All I'm saying is don't waste your money.

So bottom line is its a waste of time/money & energy (both human & mechanical)?
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