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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:16 pm 
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HSV have no technology. Same engines just bigger. Thats not using technology.
Why bother interviewing HSV for a Ford article? s**t.

 

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:20 pm 
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Would only need 350RWKW to kill any HSV for the next few years. And they'd SELL.


Wouldn't they have problems releasing it to the public, i was reading a article in motor magazine or was it wheels were HSV were saying that they could but won't release a 300kw+ road car for a while because they don't think it is needed and they do not want to start "kilowatt wars". :?



I mean if people were responsible with cars, kilowatt wars shouldnt be a problem,
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:31 pm 
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Wouldn't they have problems releasing it to the public, i was reading a article in motor magazine or was it wheels were HSV were saying that they could but won't release a 300kw+ road car for a while because they don't think it is needed and they do not want to start "kilowatt wars". :?



I mean if people were responsible with cars, kilowatt wars shouldnt be a problem,


I also read that Snow_white.
I still always thought the HO ment N/A V8 very powerful, whacking a supercharger changes that. Well have to wait and see, no point debating something when neither of us can actually be proven right. I do see your point of view, but rumours are just that...

Isn't the same engine as used in the GT's used in the Stangs over in America or something like that? ANd there getting a lot more power still N/A arn't they?

 

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:34 pm 
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maybe they should chuck a 351 in it :P

 

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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:55 pm 
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How up themselves are HSV, burnt sausages and all that s**t. HSV owners want individuallity, s**t. If they wanted individuallity they wouldnt opt for a car with a bodykit that hasnt changed much in ten years. My mate has a VT senator signature. The thing rattles and sqeaks like a b**ch, but it goes hard in a straight line and thats what HSV is all about. My ED kills it in the bends and thats when the motor was stock.

 

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Its about niche, who the f**k wants to buy into that specialized "HSV" niche, bahahahahaha.
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:45 am 
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The words HSV and individual do not go together. Most commodores seem to have an HSV sticker on them (even ones made prior to HSV being established!)! And so many Commodores have HSV bodykits and that on them. Really individual that is!

 

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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:45 am 
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The thing about the original HO's that made them special was I believe, the fact that they were performance & grunt wrapped up in a family four door sedan. Totally unexpected and a complete success and that formula plus the low volume of GTHO's built was what made them special.
They're classics now and occupy a special place in Ford motoring history. To own a genuine GT or even a GTHO is a privilege that many cannot afford. And for FPV to acknowledge customers requests / demands that they re-introduce a GTHO once more is a major step as Ford Australia don't want to deal with it on their own.

So how are FPV going to deal with this? It's a fine line they'll be treading to get a GTHO just right without destroying the image. Would a GTHO be authentic if it wasn't once again developed within the traditional family sedan body? Would it have the same feeling?

 

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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:18 am 
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The thing about the original HO's that made them special was I believe, the fact that they were performance & grunt wrapped up in a family four door sedan. Totally unexpected and a complete success and that formula plus the low volume of GTHO's built was what made them special.
They're classics now and occupy a special place in Ford motoring history. To own a genuine GT or even a GTHO is a privilege that many cannot afford. And for FPV to acknowledge customers requests / demands that they re-introduce a GTHO once more is a major step as Ford Australia don't want to deal with it on their own.

So how are FPV going to deal with this? It's a fine line they'll be treading to get a GTHO just right without destroying the image. Would a GTHO be authentic if it wasn't once again developed within the traditional family sedan body? Would it have the same feeling?


The H.O. was developed for the sole purpose of homoligating a higher performance race car version of the GT. Back when the G.T.H.O. was born if you wanted to race and win Bathurst etc. the car manufacturers had to race a car that the general public could buy from the showroom. (production car racing) So the GTHO was the result. A minium of 300 cars had to be produced in order to be eligible to race. Basically a GTHO (be it XW Phase 1 and 2, or the XY Phase 3) were race cars adapted to road use!! So there lies the problem for a modern version of the GTHO. In order to preserve and honor the legend of GTHO, many GT purists argue that you cant have a modern day HO for the simple fact that it would not be for the original purpose of racing as the original HO's were, (now we have V8 supercars) and therfore it would be an insult to the GTHO name and legend. The original GTHO's are part of Aussie motor racing history and deserve to be held in such high esteem. I believe Ford should go another direction and create another new high powered GT "legend" with its own name and preserve the GTHO nameplate and history.

 

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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:27 am 
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i just hope they dont f**k up like holden did with the monaro...

so many people were p****d off about them ruining the classic name...

saw an interview on tv when they first came back
one of the holden guys that was apart of the team that designed it .ect
said he was dissapointed they used the same name and tarnished the history of it

so what im saying, i hope ford dont ruin the ho reputation

 

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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 2:48 am 
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I have to say the BA range is awesome, every single car within it, how ever i must say the GT was a let down, sure it has a nice interior, more power and more agressive looks. But the BA GT just isn't that much more appealing than a Typhoon, how ever the EL GT was something diferent tottally re-worked interior (many special touches), ultra agressive looks and the car still holds it's value and looks so diferent to the pack of EL's something which the BA GT is missing!
So all i am going to say is Ford better put in a lot of time and effort into the GT-HO they shouldn't bring it out to impress us or to catch up or match HSV releases but it should be made with passion and spirit how the legendary phases were built.

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HSV dont want to start a KW war? hahah. thats the funniest thing i have ever heard, before the boss was introduced, the clubby was like 225kw? or something, boss gt comes, 290kw, the clubby suddenly goes to like 265? then 285? and now 297kw?? yeh right, they dont wanna start a KW war, because they wont win it.

as for a GT-HO, supercharged would be very nice, but it would kill the heritage. Maybe just stroke the boss abit, out to say.... 5.6 or 5.7L? and make it about 350kw :) oh, and shaker standard. that would mak it stand out as a HO

 

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Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake.

 

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Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake.

HO stood for Handling Option.

 

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Yes a GT HO ( Homologation Option) would be good Falcon to put out, but for the name sake would have to be a a fully worked NA V8 and not a blown one to keep the original heritage of the namesake.

HO stood for Handling Option.
Vics right. HO stood for Handling Options. The original meaning was High Output but Ford changed it at the last minute in fear that the insurance companies would charge mortgage like premiums as a result.

 

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