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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:11 pm 
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A one world government scares the living crap out of me, I hope ron paul gets in.
Ford are fools advertise a s**t load more! And EXPORT! Australia and NZ are hardly big markets especially when they're flooded with japcars.

 

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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:03 pm 
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Ford are going to slit their throat if they go FWD for the falcon or it's replacement. The hope we have is the new mustang platform, and let's face it, the Americans would be smart to use the well developed falcon platform instead of spending millions on a new one, then making our falcon FWD.

I really think it all boils down to what happens with the mustang.....

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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:47 pm 
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We will end up with an ecobost v6 more than likely, that's not a problem. We need to keep the RWD layout of the floorpan. That's the big issue.

Our Aussie 6cyl is more economical isn't it? The next mustang platform is due in what, 2016 yeah?

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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:29 pm 
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So this is the 2013 Ford Falcon (Taurus) ?

 

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:43 pm 
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So this is the 2013 Ford Falcon (Taurus) ?


not really no. thats a 2013 ford taurus :P lol. the next falcon will be a 2016 taurus haha

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:00 pm 
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So this is the 2013 Ford Falcon (Taurus) ?


Wouldn't surprise me, it has some things which resemble the FG.
Having said that, it is rather ugly.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:25 pm 
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So this is the 2013 Ford Falcon (Taurus) ?


not really no. thats a 2013 ford taurus :P lol. the next falcon will be a 2016 taurus haha


Haha yes, yes :P If the 2016 Falcon looks like that well... the rear end looks awful!
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:48 pm 
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So this is the 2013 Ford Falcon (Taurus) ?


Wouldn't surprise me, it has some things which resemble the FG.
Having said that, it is rather ugly.


The FG reminds me of the focus aswell. It looks as though the design of the FG was put in place to wien us into the change.

If you ask me the FG is as bad as the AU.

 

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$103 million investment throws Falcon a lifeline - for now.

The future of the Ford Falcon has been secured for at least another four years - but the fate of the vehicle beyond that is no clearer.

The Victorian car maker has pledged $103 million - including $34 million in Federal Government funding - to continue building the Falcon until 2016 and upgrade it to meet more stringent emissions standards.

The joint announcement, which also confirmed 300 new jobs as well as the continuation of and upgrades to the Territory SUV, was made at the Detroit motor show overnight.
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Senator Carr also met with senior General Motors executives in Detroit earlier today.

It came after Federal Minister for Industry, Senator Kim Carr, sealed the deal in a meeting with the global boss of Ford Alan Mulally.

"We had very productive conversations today with the Ford Motor Company ... and the announcement you see today is a reflection of that," Senator Carr said.

"This is a vote of confidence in the future of Ford in Australia. I trust this is a measure to address [concerns about the future of Ford's local manufacturing operations]."

The future of the Falcon has been cast in doubt over the past five years against the backdrop of record-low sales - fewer than 19,000 Falcons were sold last year after a peak of 81,000 in 1995.

Senator Carr said Ford Australia's survival as a manufacturer was crucial to the other two local car makers - Holden and Toyota - and the pool of about 200 suppliers.

"I have never ever conceded anywhere that we could run the Australian automotive industry on the basis of the reduced number of [manufacturers]," Senator Carr said.

Joe Hinrichs, president and CEO Ford Asia-Pacific and Africa operations said: "We continue to invest in Falcon and Territory ... but the speculation about the future impacts our employee morale and impacts, we think, our customers unfortunately.

"In an unprecedented move for us we're talking about a product cycle ... that's beyond the next couple of years to provide some certainty and to remove some of this speculation."

Hinrichs admitted the future of Ford's Broadmeadows and Geelong factories had been under scrutiny; output dropped to just 45,000 vehicles last year (when Falcon, Territory and ute are combined). Most car factories need to run at a minimum of 100,000 vehicles per year to remain viable.

"We wouldn't build a new one ... but when you have an existing [factory] that has the current tooling, that's a different equation," Hinrichs said.

The future of the Falcon and Territory took a turn for the better after Senator Carr after met with Ford's regional executives in Shanghai in August last year.

"Five months ago ... Minister Carr came to visit me in Shanghai, and this [continuation of the Falcon and Territory to 2016] wasn't the plan," Hinrichs said.

Mulally added: "Australia is a really important market to us and we're going to continue to invest."

Ford Australia president and CEO Bob Graziano said confidence had been restored in the Territory since the arrival of the diesel model elevated it to become the country's top-selling SUV. With the addition of the four-cylinder Falcon and better supply of its new LPG system, Graziano said: "I'm very bullish about 2012".

The Victorian Government has also made a contribution, but the amount was not disclosed.

Stephen Biegun, vice president of international government operations for Ford said: "What the Australian government is doing here is very much in line with the exact same conversations we're having with other governments around the world. They want to shore up viable manufacturing in their countries. You cannot have a complete economy if you don't have a commitment to manufacturing, it's essential."

Biegun also said it was impossible to guarantee the future of the Falcon and Territory beyond 2016.

"We would never make a commitment past the next four or five years. It's just not in our vernacular. There are very few absolutes in our industry except that things will change."

 

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:21 pm 
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The sooner that they get rid of the Falcon and Commodore for that matter) the better. The build quality is a joke, they are not built for "Australian Conditions", they are built to a price, after sales support at your Ford dealer is a laughable matter, they don't want to know about warranty repairs. I have worked at a MAJOR Ford dealer in Newcastle and they way I have seen spare parts treated is disgusting, I was ashamed to admit I worked there.

Japanese/European cars are they way to go. Build quality is through the roof, customer service is second to none. Ford and Holden have had it to easy for to long, giving the customer s**t, and not worrying about, espcaially in the early days. The general population had a choice of Holden or Ford, it wasn't until Datsun come in the 1970's I think it was that they got a shake up.

I am in the process of getting rid of my AU Falcon and waiting for my Toyota Hilux SR5 to turn up. I have know other people who have been thru and thru Holden and Ford fans, once they have gone to Japanese cars, they are wondering why didn't do it years earlier.

Death to Falcon and Commodore.....

 

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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:23 pm 
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The sooner that they get rid of the Falcon and Commodore for that matter) the better. The build quality is a joke, they are not built for "Australian Conditions", they are built to a price, after sales support at your Ford dealer is a laughable matter, they don't want to know about warranty repairs. I have worked at a MAJOR Ford dealer in Newcastle and they way I have seen spare parts treated is disgusting, I was ashamed to admit I worked there.

Japanese/European cars are they way to go. Build quality is through the roof, customer service is second to none. Ford and Holden have had it to easy for to long, giving the customer s**t, and not worrying about, espcaially in the early days. The general population had a choice of Holden or Ford, it wasn't until Datsun come in the 1970's I think it was that they got a shake up.

I am in the process of getting rid of my AU Falcon and waiting for my Toyota Hilux SR5 to turn up. I have know other people who have been thru and thru Holden and Ford fans, once they have gone to Japanese cars, they are wondering why didn't do it years earlier.

Death to Falcon and Commodore.....


i would have to totally agree with the whole cheap shlt we have on out hands that we call commys and falcons. have a good look over a fg or new commy...

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:32 pm 
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I think the move to front wheel drive is a bad one.
Having said that, I don't want a Taurus. I want a Falcon.

But who truly knows what the future will bring. I hope there will be another Falcon after the FG, but I am also not that optimistic. Fingers crossed.


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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:40 am 
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at the end of the day it makes no sense to keep the falcon going. ford is an american company with an american guy president of ford australia. fords goal at the moment is to do "one ford" so there not going to want to pour 100s of millions of dollars into a car when australia is the only major purchaser. the quality of the falcon is crap and it has been for years.

i think ford will lose a lot of buyers when they drop the falcon buy they have alreadly lost many already over the years with there poor quality, even poorer advertising and at times rediculous spare parts pricing.

if ford scrapped the falcon tomorrow it would make jack s**t difference to ford americas profits.

before i get shot down for saying this be aware that i am a ford fan and have owned several over the years, but if people look beyond the falcon badge they will realise they aint the gratest car out there.

and if people get the s**t with what i wrote and want the falcon to go on for decades to come, its easy go out and buy a brand new one, the more they sell the more they will make.

 

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I'll miss it, but hey guys bear this in mind, last weekend my mates maxima split the radiator towing the boat back frrm taupo to palmerston north. We got towed on the desert road by a crazy but genuine dude in his 1600 sohc auto honda quite old too, towing a boat trailer and car at over 100km/h crazy ae and thats from a fwd sohc! imagine what the fwd falcon could still do.

 

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Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:22 am 
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Unless Ford US has upped the ante we have nothing to look forward to quality wise, the US Fords make Aussie Fords look like Rolls Royce, the only thing they have got right is the engines.

It isn't just a worker quality issue, it is a design quality issue, I wouldn't get them to design and produce toilet paper as you would always end touching s**t.

Anyone that loves US products should have directed their guide dog over to the last Mustangs Ford Australia brought over here and just rub their hand over the paint work, it will either feel like the Sunday paper in braille or a car shaped orange.
We were calling Explorers exploders before we found out about the tire issues, they were POS, for the little amount sold they made Falcons look real good and most of the time there was no fix because the warranty repairs were not rectified parts, just new of the same part, pure chasing your tail. I wonder if some of the roll overs were more to do with something falling off than the tyres falling off, I saw them turn up with a bolt missing of a calliper, bolts fall out of handbrake centre cable lever and endless other missing things, this did not include coolant leaks, camshaft gear failures and the other endless issues. You would think the Exploder was designed for US big fellows, well a just above average fellow had his seat springs fail about 6 months, they were replaced and they just did it again, it was easy to see it was going to happen as they were just bad designed.

What we need to do is us the media in a positive way for Australia (I know it will be hard for them, most of them have their heads up their a*** and Australians are their own worse enemies) and get some US cars in the specs they would come here and then compare them to Australia cars, no comparing to them to anything else just the crap we will end up here.
I am not talking about drive days on a race track with perfect roads, a road trip across Australia and not on the main hwys, include in this towing (including using a boat ramp and a car on a trailer), loaded with family, loaded with big fellas, this needs to be done on roads full of hills, not of the flat roads European and Jap engines love. Now lets see what is the best al-rounder which isn't a 3T 4WD.

 

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