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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:19 pm 
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peronly i'd go with a ZETEC as it will bolt to you existing gearbox and it has already been done a thousand times. if your really keen on this car go and track down a mag called Classic ford, but make sure it's the english one.

there you will find all of your answers.
through tha mag you can engine mounts that will put a zetec any where that used to have a 2L pinto or 1300/1600 kent engine, pretty simple.


You have a good point there, but it will still cost a packet no matter what he does.


when does modifing a car not cost a packet???

a 350hp windors with suspension and brake apgrades will cost just as much as a ZETEC and brake upgrades. and will handle a hell of alot better with no suspension upgrades needs as it would weigh less the the 2L that is already there


Unless I am missing something here, the Capri in question is a 1970 GT, he did not state V6 so it is a 1600 (2L was not in Aussie Capri), it will need strut and brake upgrades for a start, if it was a V6 than this would be different as they use heavier duty struts and brakes.

The Zetec would be a great upgrade as I have noted earlier but it will require current ADRs and unless the Capri has V6 struts/brakes etc it is likely an engineer will require those to be fitted too.

I without weighing the alloy headed Zetec, I would be nearly certain a Zetec will weigh more than a 1600 Kent engine, the Kent engine weighs more than 30kgs less than a 2L Pinto engine.

You can buy V8 kits for Capri's that will comply with engineers requirements.
You will probably find out that similar requirements will be required for a 300hp Zetec, and then you might have emission requirements that might be hard to comply with, as a 300hp Zetec is far from stock, and that engines emission standards have to be complied with.Unless you can pay off an engineer this will be a problem, and if the EPA does a random check you better hope it complies, they can't do much with about earlier standards, but they can with current.

No arguing here, just showing different prospectives of doing such a conversion.

As much as I dislike carbies, I could show links to a cheap carby 350-400Hp Windsor build up using early factory early heads, and I hate to say it, but it won't cost much more building this engine, than purchasing the better EFI intakes etc that will only make a start to do this on a EFI 5.0L, and low down torque won't be such a big issue when the car weighs around 1100kgs with the V8 fitted.
http://www.capriv8.de/perana-engl.html


there is only one diference between the brakes fitted to the 1600 and 2L capris verses the V6 brakes. and that is the V6 has vented front disks using a wider spaced version of the twin piston 1600/2L calliper. the V6 brakes need upgrading for a V8 conversion because the V8 wieghs more.

how ever the V6 brakes with a turbo 2L would be fine as the car is still at an almost stock wieght...

but as with any conversion there are other things involved..
I do conversions all the time at work and there are all sorts of stupid rules
that make no sence at all that you can use to get around things like the EPA. like the last one i did, fitting a 4L toyota V8 to a hilux and the exhaust noise came in at 102.5 db and the car is still leagle, there are loopholes to use and ways around alot of things

still it would be nice to see some finaly break away from the windsor in a crapri bordom that has been done too many times to be thought of as some thing cool or interesting.

to be honest i really don't like engine conversions at all but if you are going to do one at least be different and try some thing new

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 10:44 pm 
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but as with any conversion there are other things involved..
I do conversions all the time at work and there are all sorts of stupid rules
that make no sence at all that you can use to get around things like the EPA. like the last one i did, fitting a 4L toyota V8 to a hilux and the exhaust noise came in at 102.5 db and the car is still leagle, there are loopholes to use and ways around alot of things


I am interested on the loop hole, that is a EPA loop hole because EPA overrides any states laws, so that would work here too, not that I am after 102.5 db, man that is pretty loud, there is a few illegal V8 around here with that much at least I am sure of, but they are dumb a*** cowboys with utes (You know the d***head with Bundy stickers and over size bullbars etc).

I know every second Capri has a V8 fitted to it, but whats wrong with that, V8 will always sound better than any 4 or 6 so what do you have to choose from, I would recommend a Boss engine etc but it would be to big to fit in the engine bay (plus very costly), as would a Toyota V8.

 

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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:08 pm 
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Well I am doing the "boring" thing and putting in a windsor albeit a EFI 5.0. I think it will be awesome when its going but i know it will take a lot of wiring etc. Each to their own.
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:34 pm 
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i got a TS50 5.6 windsor and a tremec 5 speed for sale.
i havnt seen any capris with one of these suckers in it :P
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:42 pm 
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try this site
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~lloyd2/home.html
was seriously considering the zetec conversion on my old capri. i found the best sites were in the uk.
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:01 am 
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XR8 dismantler - isn't your company mentioned in the recent Street Machine? how much for the TS50 engine?
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:35 pm 
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XR8 dismantler - isn't your company mentioned in the recent Street Machine? how much for the TS50 engine?


yes thats us :lol:

the motor is $12,000 complete with the tremec t3650 box.

thats $8000 for the motor and $4000 for the box assy
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:09 pm 
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its a lot of motor for the money. looks like its sold anyway.
but if you start adding up what it would cost to build you would hit
$15,000
just the tickford top cover is $1300 new.

then start adding up the inlet manifold,throttle body, extractors,
M.A.F,oil cooler, ect ect
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:07 pm 
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SR20 - i looked at doing the same to my mark1 escort. I looked at all the options and the SR20 made the most power for the least $$. A zetec and turbo setup would cost well in excess of the standard sr20 set up and would be difficult to get bits for - all custom made - there are kits in the UK but they are all top dollar. The sr20 comes standard with 164kw running only 8psi. Add aftermarket ecu, exhuast and more boost and 190kw is easy. Cosworths are great but are far too expensive. expensive to buy and for parts and to modify. A good cossie motor will cost 10k - an sr20 will be about $2.5k for the motor and gearbox. spend the balance on fitting and add ons and it will piss on the cosworth. Machine off the nissan badges and polish the covers and it will take a few people a while to work out what it is. I do not think there would be too much weight difference in the zetec and the sr20 - if anything i think the sr would be lighter.
The sr20 gearbox is alright to so that would save your the $2500 to buy the supra box. Decision is easy - SR20
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:02 pm 
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SR20 - i looked at doing the same to my mark1 escort. I looked at all the options and the SR20 made the most power for the least $$. A zetec and turbo setup would cost well in excess of the standard sr20 set up and would be difficult to get bits for - all custom made - there are kits in the UK but they are all top dollar. The sr20 comes standard with 164kw running only 8psi. Add aftermarket ecu, exhuast and more boost and 190kw is easy. Cosworths are great but are far too expensive. expensive to buy and for parts and to modify. A good cossie motor will cost 10k - an sr20 will be about $2.5k for the motor and gearbox. spend the balance on fitting and add ons and it will piss on the cosworth. Machine off the nissan badges and polish the covers and it will take a few people a while to work out what it is. I do not think there would be too much weight difference in the zetec and the sr20 - if anything i think the sr would be lighter.
The sr20 gearbox is alright to so that would save your the $2500 to buy the supra box. Decision is easy - SR20


you're right an SR20 is the best bang for your buck option,
but i think if you had the cash the cosworth YBT is a better engine and has far more potential then an SR20 .

at the point of 7500 to 8000rpm 350hp that an SR20 can do semi-reliable a cosworth YBT laughs at it and runs all the to 9000rpm and well past 500HP befor even thinking of needing things like better rods (if there is such a thing under $3000) and then start looking at head porting and the likes.

hell a YBT converted to N/A will produce 350hp

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:55 am 
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For the price of the cosworth you could put the best rods money could buy into the sr20. THe cosworth is better in standard form but once you start modifying them i dont think there would be much differnce except the sr20 will cost less than half the price to do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 1:41 am 
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i'm sorry but idon't think you understand to much about the SR20 motors.

we have a customer at work who spend $60 000 on an SR20 and is still only making 400kw (540hp)

now move on the YBT that will do that on stock rods and crank as aposed to the SR200 needing aftermarket rods and crank.

our turbo supplier has just finnished of a T4 for a YBT and reports back from the owner show that the engine is making just over 600hp. and to date has spent less the $30 000 including the buying the engine

sure SR20 are great engines and are the bulk of the work we get through here witch puts me in a position to comment about them.
but they are not the massive power house that alot of people think them to be and the get to the limmits of cost efective power very fast.

at over 250kw you need to look at better pistons
past 300kw you need to look at better rods and forget 400kw with out a 2.2 stroker if you want to keep it streetable

 

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If you let one of your customers spend $60k on an sr20 without getting 400kw then you are s**t. that is outrageous and proves that you dont know what you are talking about. 600 hp from a cosworth is definately possible - how much boost though! d**k johnsons car had about this much power for qualifying and was running 35psi plus.
If you dont wanna go crazy with cash then buy an sr20. If you want ultimate horespower to win dyno comps and have an unlimited budget then you might consider a cosworth.
THe cheapest option for an easy 200kw is an sr20.
If you want to talk max possible power then forget both the cosworth and sr20 and put in a twin turbo 4.5lt nissan v8 motor, mid mount it, install a 9 inch, full cage, wheelie bars and you have a winner.
Seriously if you have $10k to spend i would go the sr20 for the better and faster option.
If you have an unlimited budget then do not pick either the sr20 or cossie and buy the biggest turbo motor you can get your hands on. THe real question is how much power do you want and how much money do you have.
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:32 pm 
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If you let one of your customers spend $60k on an sr20 without getting 400kw then you are s**t. that is outrageous and proves that you dont know what you are talking about. 600 hp from a cosworth is definately possible - how much boost though! d**k johnsons car had about this much power for qualifying and was running 35psi plus.
If you dont wanna go crazy with cash then buy an sr20. If you want ultimate horespower to win dyno comps and have an unlimited budget then you might consider a cosworth.
THe cheapest option for an easy 200kw is an sr20.
If you want to talk max possible power then forget both the cosworth and sr20 and put in a twin turbo 4.5lt nissan v8 motor, mid mount it, install a 9 inch, full cage, wheelie bars and you have a winner.
Seriously if you have $10k to spend i would go the sr20 for the better and faster option.
If you have an unlimited budget then do not pick either the sr20 or cossie and buy the biggest turbo motor you can get your hands on. THe real question is how much power do you want and how much money do you have.



it doesn't prove any at all as we didn't build the engine.
It's a JUN engine from japan. we are only suplying things like clutches and brakes


and we are not talking max power possible here either we are talking realistic reliable power and how each of the two engines will get there.

and personly i believe the SR20 to be a very good but over rated engine

by the way 35 PSI for a cossie is not as stupid as it sounds i've seen street cossies running up to 40PSI and last for 3 to 4 years.
turbo and more so the tunning has come along way since DJ raced the things 16 years ago

 

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