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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:58 pm 
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I recall reading a statement that there would be a territory turbo, and so it appears that ford is going ahead with production: here is the link:->
https://www.ford.com.au/landing/territoryturbo/

I cannot see an intercooler at the front grille, unless that little splash of silver is it, but I believe it to be the radiator. So that scoop would not be for aesthetic reasons, and would most likely be the intercooler.

So: this is the set-up of the typhoon (its very similar in design to xr6t yes? as typhoon is development from xr6t, except I think it had another air intake, software/edit to run more boost and what not) now focussing on the engine, intercooler and turbo pipework.
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Kindly borrowed from fpv website.

So, from air intake from LHS over block into turbo, out turbo, into intercooler, back over block into inlet manifold. (Please correct if I have anything wrong).

Righto, now in the case of say the turbo territory, I havent seen under the bonnet and couldnt find any pics of it, so this is speculation. In the case of the intercooler mounted above the block, it may flow something like my sketch below:-
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Okay, so the right side is my idea and understanding of what the territory turbo set-up would work like (the left is my simplified sketch of how the air travels in current xr6t/typhoon, I know I have the air flows from turbo wrong, but its just a quick sketch outlining how it moves).

Air (filtered) enters the turbo, then moves into intercooler, the now cooled charge runs straight into inlet manifold.

The turbo would/could get its airsupply via the standard airbox which is relocated to the RHS, and swapped with battery.

Right, so positives:- vastly reduced length of pipework between turbo/intercooler, super-dooper turbo response, the functionality of a scoop on the car and perhaps a few $$$ saved in a head-on prang (i.e. radiator breaks, belts break maybe turbo, intercooler, engine spared?).

Negatives:- heatsoak from proximity to turbo/block, maybe attract unwanted attention with the scoop on the car.

So this is just my thoughts on it, overall I think it would be fantastic if it carries into the future falcons, but if anyone has seen the set-up of the territory turbo, please post links/pics. And please correct any mistakes I have made.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:31 am 
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the territory is a top mount intercooler, like the WRX from factory i believe, that is the reason for the bonnet scoop

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:27 am 
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turbo territorys are out already arn't they? ford announced that they were doing them ages ago now!
might find the territory has a taller engine bay/bonnet setup and so there is room to fit an intercooler above there. but i don't think there is room in the falcon.
plus what a pain to remove the intercooler to change your spark plugs and s**t! and you know that anyone who will fit aftermarket stuff will end up fitting a front mount anyways more room to fit a larger one.
and why do we want to make the future falcons look like big WRXs?

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:47 pm 
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Surely it'd just be removing the ducts to change spark plugs and such. But it was a thought, as mentioned it would be a lot less pipework.

But I havent seen into a territory bay before, but now that you mention them being a bit higher, it would be similar to an rtv (the all wheel drive falcon, spelling?) which is a bit higher in the engine bay.

EDIT: thanks very much effalcon, I had replied and the next time I checked your post with the photo was in. Would heat-soak affect a setup like this vastly?

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:35 pm 
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wadi wrote:
it would be similar to an rtv (the all wheel drive falcon, spelling?) which is a bit higher in the engine bay.


there is no AWD or 4WD Falcon. The RTV is still rear wheel drive. It is just jacked up suspension height, and has tramp rods on the leaf spring and underbody protection and stuff. Same as the old Outback in the XH ute series. And I'm very sure the front of the RTV, the bonnet and that is the same as the standard BA gear no higher.

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:12 pm 
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Yeah heat soak city... they could have atleast made it water to air or just stuck the xr6t front mount on it . As lame as the xr6t IC is, it would do a better job of cooling that a top mount... top mounts :roll:
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:22 pm 
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My Boss' Turbo Territory arrived today, he's picking it up next week. The bastard also has an XR6t

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:32 pm 
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I think they did it the wrong way around.. they fitted an XR6T engine to a Territory.. when they should have fitted a Territory awd drivetrain to an XR6T.. how awesome would that be!

 

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I thought the turbo territory was only going to be on the RWD models?
If it is in the AWD ones I'd like to see how the gearboxes go.

Top mounts are s**t, Rexies are pretty much the only cars that still use them, and the WRX owners going for real performance do a FMIC conversion anyway.

I think you're overrating the lag caused by the piping, really there's not that much piping in the N-S engine setup, and the extra boost that it's capable of <plus the sick zututut> more than compensates for it.
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I think they did it the wrong way around.. they fitted an XR6T engine to a Territory.. when they should have fitted a Territory awd drivetrain to an XR6T.. how awesome would that be!


Hell yeah!!!!!! I'd order one tomorow if they came on the market!
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Turbo ter's i belive to be in AWD Ghia trim only. (may be wrong but thats what i am lead to belive) I also belive that the RWD and AWD ter's use the same box as eachother and the falcons also except the awd model has the extension housing removed and a transfer case style arrangement attatched but next i am at work i will look over the turbo one as we have one now

 

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RWD territories have the 4 speed auto and AWD have the 6 speed.
Turbo territory comes only in AWD/6 speed auto, and in 2 trim levels; Territory Turbo, and Territory Ghia Turbo. Ive driven a Ghia Turbo today at work and im impressed...
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The biggest advantage with a top mount is response.

A mate replaced his top mount intercooler on his WRX for a front mount after reading about cooling efficiency and power gains. After fitting it the car has lost its some of its sharp response due to throttle lag which he thought was perhaps turbo lag. He didnt exactly realise that adding an additional 6 ft of piping does that to a car.

Back on track, I cant wait till people start running 12's and lower over the 1/4 and giving hsv owners the sh*ts!

 

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schnoods wrote:
The biggest advantage with a top mount is response.

A mate replaced his top mount intercooler on his WRX for a front mount after reading about cooling efficiency and power gains. After fitting it the car has lost its some of its sharp response due to throttle lag which he thought was perhaps turbo lag. He didnt exactly realise that adding an additional 6 ft of piping does that to a car.

Back on track, I cant wait till people start running 12's and lower over the 1/4 and giving hsv owners the sh*ts!


Yeah but a rex is different to a falcon.
The wrx engine back to front, and the piping has to run around and to the back of the engine. This is a known problem and the reason why most WRX owners just go to the larger STi topmount and call it a day.
The I6 is suited to a front mount, just like the RB engines.
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