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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:55 pm 
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Hahaha, there's only 95mm clearance from the top of the rocker cover and the rubber weather strip at the firewall end of the BA. :lol:

might have to go with the original idea but only if you replace the aircond pipe with flexible braided lines. might also have to relocate electrical wirings, brackets & ABS pipes lines as well, even if you have to custom bend new ones so it'll hug the the firewall. :lol:

 

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:10 pm 
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i'll be doing a dummy fit in some possible locations tomorrow. Will take some side on pics a show how tight it is.

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:23 am 
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Apparently EB-ED log manifolds flow pretty well with a bit of the ol' boost........

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:33 pm 
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Apparently EB-ED log manifolds flow pretty well with a bit of the ol' boost........

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Im not sure there will even be enough clearance for one of those even Daz.

Check out this next post.

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:32 pm 
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The type 20 log intercooler would of been ideal I reckon. might still be a tight fit but it'll fit were you want it with some minor mods.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:35 pm 
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Ok, here is the situation.

Took off the intake pipe and dummied the core in possible locations. But its not as promising as it looks.

At first I tried it above the BBM, but as you can see on the side profile picture, it sticks up far too high.

Next was sitting it over the rocker cover, it looks like it may clear the bonnet, but with the bonnet closed, it didnt close properly.

Which left me 1 only other choice, I sat it on top of the heat shield and with some flexi pipe I had lying around, just formed it into position of how the pipe work should look.

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I think over the heat shield is the only position with this sized core.

The pipework will be 2.5" from the supercharger then a 2.5"-3" silicone reducer to the core, another 2.5"-3" silicone reducer to 2.5" pipe work to the TB.

I hope most with a Raptor V superchager realise that the outlet is 2.5" in diameter and they could effectively go the thinner 2.5" inlet/outlet Type 20 core which has a 4" body instead of the Type 19 core that I have which as a 5" body.

I think in heinz sight, the 4" body could fit above the rocker cover as a possibility, but that core is 2-3" longer.

I'll have to make up a rod/bracket of some kind to take the weight of the core itself once water goes thru it. It will get heavy, so, I'll have to get one bent to shape and connect it from the bolt that holds the header tank to one of the rocker cover bolts. That should hold the core into position.

Whats peoples thoughts so far?

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:49 pm 
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The type 20 log intercooler would of been ideal I reckon. might still be a tight fit but it'll fit were you want it with some minor mods.


Thanks Slick, I kinda realise that now. But being the guinea pig you only get one chance at getting it right at the time of ordering. :oops:

It will still work well with what I have though. Im just gonna run silicone reducers to fit.

 

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See what clearance you have if you did this. move any obstruction away from the back of the rocket cover.

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Mover the cooler over so it'll sit flat on the rocket cover and sa close to the back of the firewall.

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it should look like this with half and half overhang. and you should gain another 5-10mm clearance... I hope.

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:13 pm 
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Ok, here is the situation.

Took off the intake pipe and dummied the core in possible locations. But its not as promising as it looks.

At first I tried it above the BBM, but as you can see on the side profile picture, it sticks up far too high.

Next was sitting it over the rocker cover, it looks like it may clear the bonnet, but with the bonnet closed, it didnt close properly.

Which left me 1 only other choice, I sat it on top of the heat shield and with some flexi pipe I had lying around, just formed it into position of how the pipe work should look.



I think over the heat shield is the only position with this sized core.

The pipework will be 2.5" from the supercharger then a 2.5"-3" silicone reducer to the core, another 2.5"-3" silicone reducer to 2.5" pipe work to the TB.

I hope most with a Raptor V superchager realise that the outlet is 2.5" in diameter and they could effectively go the thinner 2.5" inlet/outlet Type 20 core which has a 4" body instead of the Type 19 core that I have which as a 5" body.

I think in heinz sight, the 4" body could fit above the rocker cover as a possibility, but that core is 2-3" longer.

I'll have to make up a rod/bracket of some kind to take the weight of the core itself once water goes thru it. It will get heavy, so, I'll have to get one bent to shape and connect it from the bolt that holds the header tank to one of the rocker cover bolts. That should hold the core into position.

Whats peoples thoughts so far?


Shav, looks good. I doubt the 4" core would have fitted behind the TB/BBM anyway. The core you have being shorter will be more suitable in its current position.

You're going 2.5" up to 3" from charger to core....but why are you dropping from 3" back down to 2.5" after the core? The TB is 3inch, so you should be able to run straight 3" between core and TB?

Will you fit the system yourself, or have a workshop (Bruce Heinrich) do it? The AU should be running great after this is done!

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 9:33 pm 
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Another thing to remember is use a good non flammable building insulation between the cooler and what's resting on, or even wrap the whole setup. you'll want to minimise Conduction, convection and radiation heat transfer from boiling the cooler coolant. :lol:

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:07 pm 
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thanks for your comments guys.

Slick - i can see what u mean by moving the leads. I ended up trying that after i took those shots and re-dummied the core. One thing you need to remember is the mounting lugs on the core are 'raised' so if i sit the core on the rocker cover it will sit 5-10mm to high any way. If i turn it so it avoids the lugs, the water inlet & outlet lines get obstructed. Its a tricky situation. The stick on heat shield i'll get for the underside of the core and the top of the shield on the extractors. Something from this list http://www.australianauto.com.au/HTML/0 ... ion_01.htm

Joe - Thanks for the pipe size suggestion. I see what you mean about 3" after the core, it makes sense. After all i dont need to strangle the air after it leaves the core. Will take this info and utilise. As for the fitting, yes Bruce will assemble it all together once the pipes have been fabricated. I'll get the pipes made up at an exhaust shop.

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:24 pm 
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Cut the a section of rib from the back of the bonnet & shut it... or it's time for a bonnet bulge. could do either one and leave the rear open to vent out engine bay heat. :idea:

sticky situation requires extreme measures some times. :lol:

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:31 pm 
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thats an option i have definitely considered. I didnt want to ruin a good bonnet but i know i can get another one cheap anytime. id rather the core sit on top of the rocker than over the heat shield.

hmm decisions....

 

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Would it fit down under the BBM on the block?

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:19 am 
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You can gain another 1 1/2inch by doing this cut and shut idea. heaps of low pressure air there to help reduce heat since it's a such a small & short inline inter-cooler. plus you want instant boost by minimising to many sharp bends & piping, therefore reducing lag. :wink:

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