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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:02 pm 
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IS the cam encoder the piece of hardware sitting the dizzy would normally? Are they used in conjunction with a 36-1 wheel on the crank or does the cam angle sensor take care of it all for EDIS?

The manifold looks huge! bit of bonnet work required?

Rocker covers could use a clean :)

So with the piston-deck clearance, what would happen if left as-is? Would they come into contact with something or is it just the compression issue?

How much power you expect this to make? Radical cam in there?

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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:13 pm 
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Yes the cam encoder is where the dizzy normally is. It does not actually fit the 351 because the hole in the block is slightly larger and 5.0's have only a 5/16" oil pump drive whereas 5.8's have 5/16". I will use the top off the 5.0 one you see and adapt it to a cut down old 351 dizzy.
The cam encoder is just a single tooth to indicate to the EEC TDC on the firing stroke. Therefore it is only for start of injection timing on sequentially injected engines. The crank encoder is for the EDIS.
The intake is 10.83" tall which is pretty low. The extra 3" of engine height is the real reason the bonnet bracing must be trimmed slightly....otherwise it clears the XF bonnet.
It's just a dummy up....the rocker covers will be powder coated silver.
If the piston to deck clearance was left the way it is the pistons would smash into the heads; Gasket=0.039" thick, pistons sticks out 0.043" it goes bang!
They will be machined for zero deck.
Should make a nice low reving 350hp...stock 5.0L cam.

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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:53 pm 
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Sorry, that should be 5.0= 1/4" drive, 5.8=5/16" drive.

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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:53 am 
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Here you can see why the stock F-series intake won't fit. You can also see how wide the EB-EL 5.0L bracketry sits on the 1.3" taller deck 351. The A/C compressor actually fouls the shock tower. Some grinding of some un-needed lugs on the compressor and some reshaping of the shock tower looks like it'll do the trick.

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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:10 am 
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Just for fun....we dropped this M90 on top to see how it might fit. Obviously an M112 would be suited to this capacity of engine and being a little longer than the M90 it would actually fit quite easily. I do have the option shortly of buying a 2nd hand M112,inlet,t-body and MAF off an '03 Cobra so it may actually happen....that's why I'm keeping the compression down to around 9.0:1 on this buildup 8-)

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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:47 pm 
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Time for an update on the conversion...
For those that didn't know; The AU 5.0L Balancer is not useable because it has the wrong pulley location to work with EB-EL style accessories, the pulley is not removable, the 50oz imbalance is not compatible with the 351s' 28oz, and the Encoder wheel is pressed onto a large diameter step on the back.
With this in mind it was decided to make a new Encoder wheel that has a smaller centre hole for pressing onto a small diameter step machined into the back of the stock Balancer.
Shown(sorry bout the blurry pic) on the left is the AU balancer assembly and the new 351 assembly on the right.
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Luckily the EB-EL timing covers already have the mounting holes for the Crank sensor so owners of those vehicles only need machine the step in the back of their stock Balancer to allow a Direct ignition conversion using our new Encoder wheel design.

The short goes together this weekend. More pics soon.

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Very interesting indeed. Looking forward to more pics Pete! :P

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:46 pm 
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lookin good, I like those heads you have, very nice.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:25 am 
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Ok here's the bottom end together. You can see the nice rubber pan gasket with steel inserts that prevent over tightening of the bolts. They also give you these blue plastic dowels for holding the gasket in place...bloomin marvelous!

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Made an interesting discovery....the Balancer on 351's sits further out than that of a 5.0L. It means that the pulley is now 5mm further out than it should be. It's no big deal because there is plenty of running area on the water pump pulley and it will actually help shock tower clearance because I can just space the brackets out further.

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:09 pm 
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Here is the short with High Energy pan.

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and the long with rockers and pushrods loosely in place. The pushrods are Trend 0.080" thick one piece and are 7.7" long for the reduced base circle hydraulic roller cam. Rockers are 1.7:1 Cobra bolt on type. Head bolts are ARP and come with hardened washers.

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:12 pm 
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Here it's wearing the new short EFI suitable rocker covers. These are a short version of the Ford Racing tall rocker covers but with nothing written on them.

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Here the extra deck height of 351 is apparent.

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and finally dressed up with intake and distributor.

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Looks absolutely amazing. Any mods required to fit the HE sump in the XE?

Lol, how many engines laying around in the workshop??

 

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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:18 pm 
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Looks absolutely amazing. Any mods required to fit the HE sump in the XE?

Lol, how many engines laying around in the workshop??


Put it this way...I told HE what car it was going into so there better not be!
It was supposed to have been made out of an F-series one with the smooth pan rail. I sent it to them, they stuffed around for 5 weeks then they sent me one made out of a dimpled rail type pan!?!? I had to ask them to send my F-series one back!? Of course I had to fill the dimples in so I could use it with the one piece silicone gasket!
There are 4 Clevelands and one FE in there and also the Cougar :wink:

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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:42 am 
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Ok, not long to go now....
Here's the Felpro 1250's in place.

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And here it is sitting in the bay.

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And here with the EB-L brackets on it. I need to go with a remote reservoir power steer pump to give room for the inlet tubing.

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Have I missed something Pete :) , why is a dissy fitted?

 

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