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 Post subject: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:36 pm 
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hi everyone i have a NC91 lane 5.0L and i put a box in it like 6months out of a au V8 everything was sweet but i have a an annoying high pitch whining coming from my computer and i keep losing my gears wont start and hold revs have to rev up engine to get it to stay idle for a few secs then it holds on its own blowing a bit of black smoke smelling quite rich can anyone give me some pointers i have adjusted idle settings tps has a huge voltage drop fixed that ran good then back to the old way
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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:33 pm 
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I'm not sure but I thought the AU's had different controller for the box!?

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:16 pm 
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fairlane6970 wrote:
I'm not sure but I thought the AU's had different controller for the box!?


AU V8's had to ECUs controlling the boxes.

If the whining is coming for the ECU it's probably a capacitor that's gone bad.

I would try another ECU to see whether that sorts the problem out.
Then either open it up and replace the capacitor or grab a new ECU.

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:39 am 
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yeah gunna try anotha ecu totally pissin me off so not gettin to enjoy my v8 been waitin soo long to own one lol drove plenty but never owned one! lol thanks
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 8:17 am 
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christianungapen wrote:
hi everyone i have a NC91 lane 5.0L and i put a box in it like 6months out of a au V8 everything was sweet but i have a an annoying high pitch whining coming from my computer and i keep losing my gears wont start and hold revs have to rev up engine to get it to stay idle for a few secs then it holds on its own blowing a bit of black smoke smelling quite rich can anyone give me some pointers i have adjusted idle settings tps has a huge voltage drop fixed that ran good then back to the old way


Your NC V8 requires a BTR95LE gearbox. EF-AU V8 gearboxes were all BTR97LE, and are INCOMPATIBLE. Change this before you do anything else

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:47 pm 
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Yeah what he said ^ :D

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:32 pm 
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i am begining to think this is electrical i was under my car yesterday and i looked at the connections under the box an all was good in terms of no extra wires in the plug or missing ones howerver i did find that one of the wires were a bit bare so i fixed that changed my -battery earth
what i forgot to mention that two days i was driving and i flashed a truck in and i lost all my electrics briefly then was ok again but since i fixed the wire and as soon as i left the driveway i lost my powr and electrics its like it wanted to die but came good and then when i went to turn a corner it did it again HELP is it realy my box doin that ? i thought if that they were that different it wouldnt work at all anyway can anyone shed some light
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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:34 pm 
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No one told the EB 95LE in my XG that it had an AU EEC controlling it and it worked perfectly. Plus I've set up plenty of E-series cars with AU boxes with no problems. Where's the incompatibilty?
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2011 12:41 pm 
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xafalcon wrote:
christianungapen wrote:
hi everyone i have a NC91 lane 5.0L and i put a box in it like 6months out of a au V8 everything was sweet but i have a an annoying high pitch whining coming from my computer and i keep losing my gears wont start and hold revs have to rev up engine to get it to stay idle for a few secs then it holds on its own blowing a bit of black smoke smelling quite rich can anyone give me some pointers i have adjusted idle settings tps has a huge voltage drop fixed that ran good then back to the old way


Your NC V8 requires a BTR95LE gearbox. EF-AU V8 gearboxes were all BTR97LE, and are INCOMPATIBLE. Change this before you do anything else



The V8 boxes are the same. They will interchange with no dramas.
Only difference is the lack of a dipstick in EF onwards ones.

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 7:27 pm 
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The transmission specialists all say the solenoid switching is reversed in BTR95LE v's BTR97LE ie. 12V = apply v's 12V = release. Seems a common response from several specialists, so it's unlikely to be hearsay. I have been told this several times over a number of years.

I need to switch out the BTR95LE in my test bed to do an EF wiring job, so I'll try running the BTR97LE with the BTR95LE controller when I next run up an earlier EEC4 wiring job.

It would be nice if they do interchange as I have a number of '97's (one from a 1995 EF has a dipstick, and a 1996 NF also had one) that I had relegated to parts-donor status

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 10:30 pm 
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xafalcon wrote:
The transmission specialists all say the solenoid switching is reversed in BTR95LE v's BTR97LE ie. 12V = apply v's 12V = release. Seems a common response from several specialists, so it's unlikely to be hearsay. I have been told this several times over a number of years.

I need to switch out the BTR95LE in my test bed to do an EF wiring job, so I'll try running the BTR97LE with the BTR95LE controller when I next run up an earlier EEC4 wiring job.

It would be nice if they do interchange as I have a number of '97's (one from a 1995 EF has a dipstick, and a 1996 NF also had one) that I had relegated to parts-donor status


Looks like myself and EVL098 have proved the "specialists" wrong then doesn't it?
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 12:31 pm 
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torque convertors are also different between the 95le and 97le trans.
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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:27 pm 
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I was under the impression the 95LE was the 6 box, and the 97LE was for the 8.

But hey,
Maybe i am wrong, its been know to happen before.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 6:21 pm 
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You were thinking of 93LE Brett.
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 Post subject: Re: V8 goin banannas
Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:11 pm 
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XR9UTE wrote:
xafalcon wrote:
The transmission specialists all say the solenoid switching is reversed in BTR95LE v's BTR97LE ie. 12V = apply v's 12V = release. Seems a common response from several specialists, so it's unlikely to be hearsay. I have been told this several times over a number of years.

I need to switch out the BTR95LE in my test bed to do an EF wiring job, so I'll try running the BTR97LE with the BTR95LE controller when I next run up an earlier EEC4 wiring job.

It would be nice if they do interchange as I have a number of '97's (one from a 1995 EF has a dipstick, and a 1996 NF also had one) that I had relegated to parts-donor status


Looks like myself and EVL098 have proved the "specialists" wrong then doesn't it?


No not yet.

3 specialists have said this to me, two more than once over a few years. I know them all personally, they wouldn't intentionally mislead me. Then there are several people who have tried the swap & failed, only to then install the correct transmission and run properly

But you have floated the idea and I'm keen to investigate & confirm.... I have the opportunity in the next 6 weeks with minimal effort since the test bed transmission swap has to be done anyway (or does it??? the swap should work both ways??? so long as I run the BTR97LE tcm the transmission choice should be irrelevant - right?). The proof for me will be in normal transmission operation without fault codes (which incidentally I would be very happy with)

 

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