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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:58 am 
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There's an idea snap! But if you go to all that effort you should consider installing a billet retainer & set the preload correctly, so there is less chance of the box failing.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:28 pm 
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Well you would go over the whole box, change bearings, seals where needed.
It'd be a research exercise, comparing options and the likely $$$ involved and work needed as well.
As I say, be good to compare an early V8 T5 box with an I6 T5 to see how similar in the a*** they are.

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:09 pm 
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I have the T5 manual in PDF form if anyone wants it. You can probably find it online if you look hard enough.
Also, look for a book called "How to rebuild and modify your manual transmission"
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It covers the basics of manual transmissions, plus it has a full step by step rebuild of a T5. A good read, and very helpful. :D

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:52 pm 
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I've had a good long read over that manual, many thanks for sending it dude, and i feel that if i borrow a couple of tools from my g/f's dad i could do a good rebuild on a T5 now.

I changed the clutch & throw out fork in my Eb Ghia I6 T5 setup a couple of days ago, and man, the box is shifting really good. I'd love a short shifter tho.... I put in a PBR HD clutch kit, and it doesn't feel all that heavy duty, but it grips really well. I've got to run it in a little more, then i will see what it's like pulling my tandem trailer.

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:39 am 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
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The Au's got the T5Z's, the previous XR8's just got a normal WC T5.


Interesting. Thanks for that info.

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IIRC only the 200/220kw got the T5Z. My 185kw has a basic Tremec T5. Not T5Z

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:31 pm 
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Hmm, I am pretty sure Mal Wood told me that the EF/EL V8s had T5Zs behind them. Well at least that is what I bought to replace mine! To be confirmed!

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:08 pm 
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I'm wrong. E series all had WC T5s.

Main way to tell the difference from a normal T5 is that the T5Z input shaft uses a tapered needle roller bearing.

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:20 pm 
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I thought the WC T5 come in the EB series 2?

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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:42 pm 
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One Drone wrote:
I'm wrong. E series all had WC T5s. Main way to tell the difference from a normal T5 is that the T5Z input shaft uses a tapered needle roller bearing.

I'd say we're assuming V8's here.
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I thought the WC T5 come in the EB series 2?
I6's they did.
Thing is, all WC I6 T5's had a tapered bearing on the mainshaft behind the input shaft.
All I6 WC and non WC boxes had a tapered roller for the input shaft itself.

 

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 Post subject: Re: V8 Manual Conversion
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:09 am 
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Yep that's what I meant snap. Cheers

 

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:59 pm 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
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Pretty sure only the Sprint and GT had different ratios.


Really?

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That's correct, GT/Sprint T5's had a 3.35 1st gear and carbon fibre rings and tapered rollers and use auto trans fluid. Std T5's still use gear oil with brass rings.
Interestingly the original U.S. Z-type has a 2.95 1st gear which also makes it stronger than our 3.35 variant.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:21 pm 
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Sturmovik wrote:
Pretty sure only the Sprint and GT had different ratios.


Really?

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That's correct, GT/Sprint T5's had a 3.35 1st gear and carbon fibre rings and tapered rollers and use auto trans fluid. Std T5's still use gear oil with brass rings.
Interestingly the original U.S. Z-type has a 2.95 1st gear which also makes it stronger than our 3.35 variant.


When i ordered the parts for my T5Z, they only had the one option, original spec gear. 2.95 input, all pocket bearings, carbon fibre rings, twin brass rings for reverse/fifth.

The US T5's never used the input shaft that the Falcons got, US had slightly shorter ones. So the 2.95 T5Z input is a Falcon exclusive.

They are basically Cobra T5z's with the Falcon length input shaft.

 

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I'm wrong. E series all had WC T5s.

Main way to tell the difference from a normal T5 is that the T5Z input shaft uses a tapered needle roller bearing.



It's actually a tapered pocket bearing on the input. The gears have the needle rollers underneath them.

Main way to tell is the Input will have 24 teeth. (24 teeth = T5Z exclusive, 2.95 input shaft)

 

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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:00 pm 
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I assume you mean the long input, 2.95 was a Falcon exclusive? I believe it's actually just the '94-'95 stang gearbox which has the 0.67" longer input than the '86-'93 type?
My mate has the Z-type 2.95 gearbox in his Capri that he bought new straight out of the Ford racing catalog #M-7003-Z...2.95 1st,short input.
Most likely the 2.95 1st was used in the AU which explains why you had no option of the 3.35 1st of the earlier cars which of course would have been obsolete 5mins after they were sold. :roll:
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:20 pm 
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just throw few idea's into this,my new car i got yesterday run's a 6 cylinder t5 behind its 5L by using a T10 bellhousing redrilled to suit t5 from mal wood and converted to cable instead of hydraulic clutch..

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