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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:10 pm 
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I was gonna say too, PICS!!!
Show us what you mean.

Hey Troy, any links to a serpentine conversion thread?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:09 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
fairmont54 wrote:
noticed today that the 3.9 multipoint has a different tps and plug to the 4.0l(non broardbrand ofcours), never noticed that before and also never noticed there was a difference beetwen the s-pack looms and the standard (and xr ofcourse) for the taco wire picked all of this up today while fitting the late el angineblock with the 94ab head to a eb1 origionally 3.9 multi-point and had to cut away part of the engine block for the alternator bracket to fit and had to run the ed timingcover for the idler and tensioner pulleys but the late el block which usually runs the 2 bolt mains can thake the au main caps (reccomended) or have the late el ones drilled to take the bolts from the sump and only the late elcaps will take th drill and you could bolt the sump and head on along with the bbm for a cost affective step by step conversion to a au engine even though the engine number doesnt start with WR


i dont understand why you would have to cut away at the block to fit the alternator or use an ed timing cover???

the blocks are the same casting fron the ea 3.2,3.9ltr up to the 4.0l el..
the timing cover is the same part no from ea to ed..
ive done serpentine and bbm conversion to series1 ea's and no modifications were made..

p.s a few full stops in your sentences might help with it making sense.. :wink:
im telling you that the blocks arent the same, the bracket come of a ef engine and wouldnt fit the el block, check it out for yourself the late el blocks are different as for the timing cover he didnt want to do the serpentine conversion so the pre ef cover had to be used. and yes the part numbers are the same
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:12 pm 
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afaik the only block that is different is the au blocks,
was the one you mention cast with 96da or vr1 instead of wr2 ?
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:21 pm 
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will check the number out tomorow, whologhan has my camera at the moment and i pulled the engine out of the el, im not stupid i do it for a living and the webing on the front of the block rhs doesnt let ya bolt up the eb alternator bracket but it was fine on the ef motor it came of that was in the eb, i will send pics of another engine block as the customer picked the car up yesterday, when i asked the older guy at work who has been doing it for 35 years and he told me that in the last of the el's the webing changed there, he has had to do it a number of times, when whologan gives me back my camera i will be sure to post the pics. basically when you try to bolt it up your bolt that passes through the bracket and timing cover it is out by about a cm cause it wont sit flush with the side of the block. believe me this is what i had to do
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:22 pm 
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yea im not saying you dont know..

ive seen a few late el's that had 96da on the block,hybrid head. ect..and had the same set up as ef.
but i have seen a 98 el that had vr1 cast on the block...
im wondering if the one in mention was one of these blocks????.
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:51 pm 
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i was talking to the old fella today and he said its only the very last of the el's that had these blocks and he couldt remember wether they had the v or 96 starting, next time the car comes back in i will check the id code im guessing it started with v but either way it came out of a stock el wag and it hadnt even had the head done, on it it was a 96da head on the engine before it was swaped to the 94ab as requested by the customer (some people get ideas in ther head that no matter what you say you cant change there mind) and he didnt want the serpentine belt either, also forgot to mention that there is a difference in the ea-d timing covers the early ones take a flat gasket at the top of the cover were it seals to the head and the eb-au have a groove in the top for the rubber seal to sit into, so i gues there is a difference in the timing covers
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:52 pm 
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Correct about the 2 different timing cover top seals.
I remember looking at the gasket kits to see the differences.
One is broad and flat, the othe is skinny to sit in a groove.

This is geting me interested cos I know the "hybrid" motor was very obscure so to speak with details of it's design.

As far as I knew it was an EL block (as ea-el is normally) with au spinning gear and head.
But obviously there is a block adaption too at some stage... It's all educational to me...

 

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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:33 pm 
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fairmont54 wrote:
i was talking to the old fella today and he said its only the very last of the el's that had these blocks and he couldt remember wether they had the v or 96 starting, next time the car comes back in i will check the id code im guessing it started with v but either way it came out of a stock el wag and it hadnt even had the head done, on it it was a 96da head on the engine before it was swaped to the 94ab as requested by the customer (some people get ideas in ther head that no matter what you say you cant change there mind) and he didnt want the serpentine belt either, also forgot to mention that there is a difference in the ea-d timing covers the early ones take a flat gasket at the top of the cover were it seals to the head and the eb-au have a groove in the top for the rubber seal to sit into, so i gues there is a difference in the timing covers

also forgot somthing else that i remembered about today when i was doing an au. The later and most of the ef onwards up to au only a single thread in the timing covers because the tensioners only have a single thread, but the pre ef-ea had twin threads on the tensioner and in the timing cover, so the tensioners arent interchangabe beetween the covers
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:27 pm 
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My buddy is just scratching his head, as I type this, trying to work out how the TPS from the EL throttle body. Apparently there are something like 2 x TPS on the EL type and only 1 on the EA type?

Any ideas?
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:43 pm 
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in the 6 cyl all eb 2,ed,ef and el have 1 tps, only ea and eb1 with 4 speed auto have 2 tps, 1 is for engine ecu and other is for trans ecu..
from eb2 onwards the trans ecu was built into the engine ecu therefore only needing 1 tps
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:44 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
in the 6 cyl all eb 2,ed,ef and el have 1 tps, only ea and eb1 with 4 speed auto have 2 tps, 1 is for engine ecu and other is for trans ecu..
from eb2 onwards the trans ecu was built into the engine ecu therefore only needing 1 tps


So, help me here.. (bare with me) we could get away with just hooking up the 1? The correct one?

Just not sure how to proceed as I have an EA with EL motor and BBM sitting in it.
The ECU has a J3, also so wont have a smartlock drama
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:50 pm 
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ok..
what engine ecu are you running??
what engine loom are you running?

and does your car still have the ea trans ecu still fitted??
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:16 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
ok..
what engine ecu are you running??
what engine loom are you running?

and does your car still have the ea trans ecu still fitted??


Thanks for your help

Car is EA
EL ECU w/ J3
Loom is EA
Motor is EL (BBM is EL too)
Car still shifts gears externally to the ECU.
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting a EF - EL BBM to your EA - ED (How to)
Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:23 pm 
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ok, then you need to either mod it to run both tps or try split the signal from the single tps to both engine ecu and trans ecu by joining the wires from 2 into 1...
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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:53 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
ok, then you need to either mod it to run both tps or try split the signal from the single tps to both engine ecu and trans ecu by joining the wires from 2 into 1...


Joining the wires 2 into 1 is easy to do.. but this will not cause any drama?
No smoke and flames?

Wont make unwanted connections?
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