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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:29 pm 
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hey guys while on the subject , let me get this right , i have an ef futura and am thinking of putting super lows in it , will they fall out if i dont change the shock ? the guy from kingsprings said i wont need to change them just chop some of the bump stop , does this sound right , getting the springs brand new from them for 50 each , :mrgreen:


Why the f**k would the guy say that for? What a knob-jockey. I ran sl in the rear of mine for about 4 months until i could afford to do the rest of the suspension and it was quite rough due to the shocks being too long for the shorter springs. When i chucked the short shocks in it was like chalk and cheese. The ride was incredible compared to bouncing around everywhere. Short shocks are highly recommended for sl and shorter springs

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:36 pm 
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stock shocks will be fine with superlows, it won't be the best ride in the world, and it'll likely get worse.
some people won't care, some will.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:10 pm 
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thanks for honesty guys , next thing is shocks , any ideas , everyone talks bout munroes , are they THAT GOOD ??
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:23 pm 
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I had cut springs in my EB & as mentioned before, every time the car got jacked up the springs would fall out, I bit the bullet & got custom set rear springs from Kmac for $125.

Best $125 I ever spent as the car is at the same height as was the cut springs & the rear is solid now.
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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:26 pm 
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Yep very dangerous, my mate chopped his vr rears and I told him wat the outcome would be, he didnt listen and 1 week later he called me to come help him pull his car off a tree as a spring fell out and he spun out, wasnt going fast either



I call s**t.
Cut springs should be fine,I've had a few cars with cut springs and drove alot with them and its realy not that big of a deal. Just dont go over the top and cut 3 or 4 coils off. But you can get SL and SSL pritty cheap these days so i wouldnt even bother stuffing around cutting them when they can be found for under $100. If you do go lower then SL make sure you do get short shocks or it will ride like crap weather you cut them or put SSL's in.

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:33 pm 
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how would you know if its s**t? he did cut 3, and it was so low there was f**k all left of the suspension downward travel and it was stiff as f**k, it also didnt help that he couldnt drive for s**t but he ended up through a small drain and into a tree

 

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 Post subject: Re: Angle-grinding springs (Bodgey or not)
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:35 pm 
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Great thread.
If I don't say so myself.
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After all the banter........... Think I'm gunna do it proper like.

Keep up the debate though.

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:55 pm 
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It will make it handle like s**t, but you can't blame the cut springs for your mate being a s**t driver. If you have cut the springs in your car YOU SHOULD TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DRIVING, if you don't it is no wonder your car ends up in a tree.

Not condoning cutting springs.

And I wouldn't recommend Monroe's with superlows....if you want budget shocks to suit go either Boge or KYB as they are hard to beat for the price. If you have money I have used Koni Red and Bilsteins and both are worth the money, but depends on your budget.

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:05 pm 
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zzz-ba ute wrote:
eat themselves properly.
if you cut them half a turn down how will you get them to sit
in properly and not shift/fall out when the shock hits full extension
and there is less pressure on the spring?


I think you'll find the correct term is called preload. Because spring is not free in its seats at full droop it is actually loaded up slightly.
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:35 pm 
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I have sl fronts and pedders red in the rear, think they are close to sl height.
Anyway, im running munro gt gas shocks. Handles fine. Rides no worse then when it was stock standard even with 18x8s.
Altho it did ride like s**t when I had the original shocks on lowered springs.
AND when my car goes on a 2poster the rear springs come away and need to be re aligned.
Never happend driving before tho.
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:17 am 
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xcabbi wrote:
I think you'll find the correct term is called preload. Because spring is not free in its seats at full droop it is actually loaded up slightly.


Thanks man, wasn't sure
Not a big suspension guy I was just looking at some springs
and wondering how they would not shift with a loop cut out

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:31 am 
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In my last car I had chopped springs, it handled like a boat and was bouncy as s**t, then i upgraded to ultra lows and shortened shocks and it handled like it was on tracks, stiff but you couldn't feel bumps anywhere near as much as chopped springs.. I highly recommend doing it the right way, because if your suspension isn't up to spec, all sorts of other things start breaking.

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:57 pm 
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My two bobs worth on this one is pretty simple. Springs are rated to X lbs/foot of spring height when coiled. Therefore, cut a loop, say 2 inches in height off spring, then you will lose that amount of ability to carry load, which in turn makes the spring less likely to behave the way it would at full length. Easiest way to go about it is find a spring the same radius and length, but of higher rating and lop a coil or two off that. That way you will roughly retain some sort of resemblance of handling. We did it with a Mk 2 Escort, put some TF (I think) Cortina springs in and even with the extra coils off, was still stiff as Groom on his honeymoon.
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:57 pm 
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bry40l wrote:
Yep very dangerous, my mate chopped his vr rears and I told him wat the outcome would be, he didnt listen and 1 week later he called me to come help him pull his car off a tree as a spring fell out and he spun out, wasnt going fast either


commodore rear springs havent got a shock traveling up the middle of them though
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:09 pm 
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neither have late model falcons, it's not the point. you can spot a car with cut springs from a mile away, bounce & float around more than a car on bags. later model ones also have tapered progressive springs to completely bar people from doing it, for good reason, it shouldn't be done.

 

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