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 Post subject: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:04 pm 
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hey so i need to replace my gearbox and my clutch in my el xr6 i was just wondering if anyone thinks it would be woth converting it to a hydraulic clutch set up. i know it will cost mor money but i think it will just be nicer to drive. is this worth the mucking around seeing i only have basic mods to the engine or should i just leave it standard??
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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:15 pm 
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I'd leave it standard Sam, for a Hydraulic clutch to work properly, you'd need a modified pedal (an XD/XE V8 one MAY work, but a BA/BF one certainly wont) and you'll also need to manufacture a mount for a clutch master cylinder eithier by making a totally custom mount, or doing something like welding in a section of firewall from a car that has a hydraulic clutch (you CANT fit a hydraullic clutch without cutting your car to bits) and you'll also need a modified clutch fork, a slave cylinder, and a custom made hydraullic line. You could probably use a clutch fork from a V8 XD/XE turned around the other way. I think a BA/BF Master would be the best bet. But seriously, a nicely done, well set up clutch with a cable will give you many years of pleasureable driving.

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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:43 pm 
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In a 6cyl falcon it wouldn't be "too hard" to do. I'd be looking at modifying a peddle box and fitting a clutch master right to the peddle box, then just need a resivor in the engine bay, and to run a hydraulic line to the clutch fork area. No body mods then.

For the fork, there's a few ways to do it. Might be able to use a BA T5 clutch slave cylinder, or modify the factory fork & use an external cylinder, sort of like the Kingswood/Torana conversion that was so common years ago.

Yes, I've been thinking about this for a while, in the back of my head. I reckon a Toyota hilux clutch slave could be made to work with a nice fabricated bracket to hold it to the side of your gearbox. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:12 am 
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:33 am 
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A cable operated clutch has " feel ".....the hydraulic operated clutches don't have the same " feel ".....the same goes for motorbikes.

 

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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:54 am 
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cjh wrote:
A cable operated clutch has " feel ".....the hydraulic operated clutches don't have the same " feel ".....the same goes for motorbikes.


True, I hate not feeling exactly what the clutch is doing in a hydraulic clutch car.

 

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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:47 am 
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Yeah I remember driving a ba xr6 and the clutch was way too light. I guess wat I want to know is is it worth doing?
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:00 am 
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Yeah I remember driving a ba xr6 and the clutch was way too light. I guess wat I want to know is is it worth doing?



Not really, for the time, trouble and outlay of $$$$ to achieve......what?...a clutch that still works, and has no " feel ".....just my 2 cents.

 

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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:40 pm 
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Gab1 wrote:
I'd leave it standard Sam, for a Hydraulic clutch to work properly, you'd need a modified pedal (an XD/XE V8 one MAY work, but a BA/BF one certainly wont) and you'll also need to manufacture a mount for a clutch master cylinder eithier by making a totally custom mount, or doing something like welding in a section of firewall from a car that has a hydraulic clutch (you CANT fit a hydraullic clutch without cutting your car to bits) and you'll also need a modified clutch fork, a slave cylinder, and a custom made hydraullic line. You could probably use a clutch fork from a V8 XD/XE turned around the other way. I think a BA/BF Master would be the best bet. But seriously, a nicely done, well set up clutch with a cable will give you many years of pleasureable driving.

Gab


Ning.
You don't need to cut up your car lol. Drill a hole or two yes, cut no.

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Clutch cables bend pedal boxes, bend firewalls, cables snap, and are f**k in general.

 

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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:50 pm 
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Ning.
You don't need to cut up your car lol. Drill a hole or two yes, cut no.

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Clutch cables bend pedal boxes, bend firewalls, cables snap, and are f**k in general.


I have never had a pedal box fail, or the firewall crack, in either the ol' EA, or the ED. Neither of them were strengthened, and were running PBR RPM clutches too.
I have had the cables fail, and the fork insulator hooks fail, however.

 

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:53 am 
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cjh wrote:
krisisdog wrote:

Ning.
You don't need to cut up your car lol. Drill a hole or two yes, cut no.

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Clutch cables bend pedal boxes, bend firewalls, cables snap, and are f**k in general.


I have never had a pedal box fail, or the firewall crack, in either the ol' EA, or the ED. Neither of them were strengthened, and were running PBR RPM clutches too.
I have had the cables fail, and the fork insulator hooks fail, however.


I've had those fork insulator hooks fail too, So I invented a fix for that, my clutch cable is held in by a washer with a slot in it that's too big to fit through the hole, it cant come out

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 Post subject: Re: hydraulic clutch or cable clutch EL
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:38 pm 
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I forgot to mention, that I fitted a wide band heater hose clamp around the plastic guide that the other insulator rubber lives in.....stops the rubber squashing so much and losing cable/pedal travel.
I have also rerouted the cable so as to have no sharp bends, makes for a smoother operation, to give better " feel " as well.
I also added a return spring on the clutch fork so the throw-out bearing isn't in constant contact with the clutch fingers, and I fitted a pedal stop at the pedal box as well.

 

 

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:17 pm 
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cjh wrote:
krisisdog wrote:

Ning.
You don't need to cut up your car lol. Drill a hole or two yes, cut no.

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Clutch cables bend pedal boxes, bend firewalls, cables snap, and are f**k in general.


I have never had a pedal box fail, or the firewall crack, in either the ol' EA, or the ED. Neither of them were strengthened, and were running PBR RPM clutches too.
I have had the cables fail, and the fork insulator hooks fail, however.


EF EL are notorious for breaking the firewall.
There's thousands who have bent a pedal box, there weak as piss.
PBR RPM clutch? So XR6 spec?
Try running a decent clutch with a cable - watch the cables snap, pedal boxes bend, clips and insulators snap. All round AIDs.

 

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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:00 pm 
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EF EL are notorious for breaking the firewall.
There's thousands who have bent a pedal box, there weak as piss.
PBR RPM clutch? So XR6 spec?
Try running a decent clutch with a cable - watch the cables snap, pedal boxes bend, clips and insulators snap. All round AIDs.


A decent clutch shouldn't be so heavy as to give you a left leg like Arnny.
The clutch I had in my old Val was so heavy, that at the lights, I would shift it to neutral, because my left leg would start shaking after about 15 secs.
The clutch I run in the Falcon is slightly more heavier than a standard one, but it doesn't slip....with 220 rwhp and towing a car trailer with a car on it, changing at 4,000 rpm, no slip....and it's just an organic compound friction plate too.........Horses for courses, though.

 

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