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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:08 pm 
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Hi mate, loving your progress on this (miss my old eb spac/black pearl) with the BA seats did you just cut off the front and back brackets and weld them on the BA rails/Im going to be doing the same in my new project XF ute,cheers John.



Hey Johnny,

Yeah for the drivers seat that's what i did, the front of the passenger seat bolted straight in with little persuasion but i could not get the drivers seat to do the same. I haven't fixed the rear of the passenger seat yet, still to-do.

the drivers seat front mounts ended up being about 10-15mm wider than the BA iirc.
I lopped the mounts off the EB rails and bolted them in then sat the BA rail ontop of it without its mounts aswell.
The rear mounts heigh was fine and the rails sat on them with the same offset as the front however the rail neede to move heaps forward on the EB mounts, i cut them about 5mm back from where the head of the bolt meets its skirts and used the BA front mounts to get the angle correct

 

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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:24 pm 
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Spent pretty much all day today cutting the EB dash brace out and test fitting the top of the BA dash.

I've got the upper half to sit against the window and the BA brace sits flush against the pillars of the EB but when i put the upper half of the BA dash onto its brace and try to fit it there's still an inch on each side that it needs to go back.

I'm not sure if others cut the dash plastic that sits against the window square or if i've overlooked something and that's why it wont sit properly. :?

Tomorrow i'll go cut the trans tunnel out of my BA donor to get a better idea of the location of everything, hopefully i'll know what's going on then.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:55 pm 
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Mad2 wrote:
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Hey Mad,

You wouldn't happen to know if the BA\BF pilot bearing is the same as the FG one for 6cyls?
By the looks of listings on ebay they're the same for the v8 but not sure about the 6cyl :?:



sorry mate ... no idea




i do now! .... answer is no .. refer

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CLUTCH-PILOT-SPIGOT-BEARING-CRANK-RR-FORD-FALCON-XA-XB-XC-XD-XE-XF-XG-XH-/272080425769?&_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276

scroll down a bit & they mention what years it suits.


also photobucket has closed your pic links & now demands payment for the 3rd party linking . . . . :shock:
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:17 pm 
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i do now! .... answer is no .. refer


ah cheers. well whatever spigot bearing i got fit in the FG crank lol.

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also photobucket has closed your pic links & now demands payment for the 3rd party linking . . . .


I see that, what turds.

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:56 am 
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Updated pics on the BA interior into the EB.
Lots of progress with the Dash.


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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:41 am 
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are you using the EB heater or the BA heater? .. also what reinforcement will you be using in the 'A' pillar?

not knocking .. just asking.
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:28 pm 
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I'll be using the BA heater box and BA interior electrics.

As for reinforcing the A pillars, the top part of the BA firewall (purple) will be welded to the EB and blank spots will be filled and welded with sheet metal.
The rest of the reinforcement will be provided by the BA dash brace which i imagine is why there's so much less meat on a BA firewall compared to the E series.

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:14 pm 
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Tommo52 wrote:
I'll be using the BA heater box and BA interior electrics.

As for reinforcing the A pillars, the top part of the BA firewall (purple) will be welded to the EB and blank spots will be filled and welded with sheet metal.
The rest of the reinforcement will be provided by the BA dash brace which i imagine is why there's so much less meat on a BA firewall compared to the E series.



ahhh that explains that section!


righto! .... keep up the goood work :mrgreen:
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Not sure how ive missed this thread Following

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:02 am 
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Okay so just thinking out loud here.

I've loomed the engine bay and body with AU looms, this is because i'm going to run an AU engine.
But then I want to run a BA Cluster AC/HIM and BCM - this is achievable using a CAN Bus gateway of sorts to bridge the AU ECU and BA body components.

I can make the CAN Bus gateway myself using Arduinos but it would no doubt take me a long time so I've decided to take another route.

I'm still going to use the SOHC I've had built, it's been sitting for a couple of years now still in it's plastic wrap. It's got a reasonably aggressive cam, mild porting and very high compression and I really want to get some use out of it because I doubt i'd be able to sell it for what I paid to have it built.

But here's the kicker - I'm going to use a BA PCM and reloom the engine bay with all BA gear.
SOHC configs don't have a number of things the Barras do such as DOHC, VCT and FBW but SOHC do still have one camshaft sensor and a crank angle sensor.

In theory this should work.
The BA workshop manual states that in failure mode for one camshaft position sensors the PCM will simply disable VCT and if both fail then it disables sequential fuel injection.

Should a CMP signal be missing then the PCM will be unable to identify the camshaft position and VCT operation will be disabled. Should both CMP sensors or signal fail, the PCM will not operate the fuel injectors sequentially, and the engine may run rough.

This is good because my AU engine does not have VCT especially not dual VCT and i can provide at least one CMP signal, however i do not know if that signal will be compatible with the BA PCM.

Eliminating the FBW throttle is a bigger issue as all failure modes lead to limp home mode.


Regardless of which hardware is controlling the engine it will need to be tuned to the engine config and I believe that components such as FBW and VCT can be disabled in the BA ECU if required for an individual application. This means the smarter choice is the BA PCM because i get both sequential injection and ignition and I will need it tuned regardless so they can just disable the offending components during the tune.

Wiring the engine bay with BA looms also makes it easier in the future to convert to DOHC as all the supporting electronics will be there (minus the pedal but that can be added easily enough).

Any thoughts?

 

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Tommo52 wrote:
Okay so just thinking out loud here.

I've loomed the engine bay and body with AU looms, this is because i'm going to run an AU engine.
But then I want to run a BA Cluster AC/HIM and BCM - this is achievable using a CAN Bus gateway of sorts to bridge the AU ECU and BA body components.



But here's the kicker - I'm going to use a BA PCM and reloom the engine bay with all BA gear.
SOHC configs don't have a number of things the Barras do such as DOHC, VCT and FBW but SOHC do still have one camshaft sensor and a crank angle sensor.

In theory this should work.
The BA workshop manual states that in failure mode for one camshaft position sensors the PCM will simply disable VCT and if both fail then it disables sequential fuel injection.


Eliminating the FBW throttle is a bigger issue as all failure modes lead to limp home mode.


Wiring the engine bay with BA looms also makes it easier in the future to convert to DOHC as all the supporting electronics will be there (minus the pedal but that can be added easily enough).

Any thoughts?



this is out of my league ...... but you asked for thoughts.


cannot the AU inlet be fitted with all the BA gear, so you get FBW etc? i have no idea re the VCT but isn't the BA only slightly variable between the cams, where as the BF has the cams fully variable?


not sure why you would go to all the trouble of fitting BA stuff, then wire up with AU?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:20 pm 
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Mad2 wrote:
cannot the AU inlet be fitted with all the BA gear, so you get FBW etc? i have no idea re the VCT but isn't the BA only slightly variable between the cams, where as the BF has the cams fully variable?


I imagine I could fit the AU BBM with the BA throttle body but i want to retain the cable driven TB, i like the feel of it more than FBW and I'm trying to avoid fitting the BA pedal box.


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not sure why you would go to all the trouble of fitting BA stuff, then wire up with AU?


I like the BA dash and instruments. The goal was always to fit my AU engine and the logical choice was to use an AU ecu with it to take advantage of sequential ignition/injection sub 3000 rpm.
I'm also trying to avoid requiring an engineering certificate at the moment, another reason to fit the AU engine as engine bay modifications are next to none (my engine has an ef bottom end).

Once my AU engine is spent I will probably fit a Barra and BA front suspension which will then require an engineering certificate.

 

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Just a suggestion, IF your going to use a BA pcm maybe get it "modified" by someone that has HP tuners or something like that. you could then in theory have the FBW disabled as well as the VCT, would be no fault codes or LHM modes for them then.

Ba's had the single VCT both cams moves together whereas BF had duel independent VCT

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:53 pm 
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Robert_au wrote:
Just a suggestion, IF your going to use a BA pcm maybe get it "modified" by someone that has HP tuners or something like that. you could then in theory have the FBW disabled as well as the VCT, would be no fault codes or LHM modes for them then.


My thoughts exactly. The PCM will need to be tuned regardless so I may as well get the tuner to disable VCT and FBW.

Robert_au wrote:
Ba's had the single VCT both cams moves together whereas BF had duel independent VCT


I was speaking physically not electrically. AUs only ever had one VCT unit where as BAs have two.


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