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{USERNAME} wrote: It's lighter, it's more powerful, it's got shorter gearing, and pulled better times in all the reviews/tests - of course it will lose!
Yeah it is lighter (by about 100kg's) and yeah, it's got more power (1kw........WOW.......). It's got more torque too, but the difference is F**k all and it's produced higher in the rev range. Yeah, an auto XR6 will probably loose against an auto VNSS. What it WON'T get is raped. But hey, if your interested in bragging rights for dragging people from the lights, then why buy an auto Falcon in the first place? |
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| stockstandard |
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VN SS - 165 kW @ 4400 rpm, 385 Nm @ 3600 rpm
XR6 - 164 kW @ 5000 rpm, 366 Nm @ 3150 rpm. VN makes peak torque later (which is 20 NM more than the 6), but peak power earlier. Also looks like the peak torque of the VN is better placed for race conditions. I would be surprised if the 6 had more torque anywhere in the rpm range.
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| Mike_EA |
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The fact is that the caption snoose driver will plow into a tree before the 1/4 is over.
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| suttoo |
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I have been wondering about this for a while cause this d***head at school has a VN SS auto and doesnt mind talking it up saying he will flog me. I have a auto EL XR6 and the other night gave a mate in a VR V8 manual with alot of mods a run and he only just knocked me off
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| qwerty68 |
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i am thinking about getting a vn or FORD FAIRMONT EB Ghia
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| mrnasty |
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i beat my mates VP SS auto with extractors and exhaust mods, then once he rebuilt it with race internals and cam and hi stall, i sat very close to him, less than half a car length.
they arnt all they are cracked up to be.
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| eed-250 |
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man ur always right voxace
 i mean we are.
um vn ss will flog xr6 auto if they are in the same condition. there is no fukn way an xr6 auto will keep up. |
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{USERNAME} wrote: I have been wondering about this for a while cause this d***head at school has a VN SS auto and doesnt mind talking it up saying he will flog me. I have a auto EL XR6 and the other night gave a mate in a VR V8 manual with alot of mods a run and he only just knocked me off
vr/vs have quite a bit more weight behind them than the vn/vp, so it's not the same thing. |
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| haggis |
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It's an unfortunate compromise... ford autos are quick, holden autos and manuals are faster, ford manuals are fastest
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As can be said earlier you never know how hard the other driver is going.
But one NL fairLANE I know (heavy and mechanically stock XR6 donk with cat-back exhaust and SS inductions intake) has no problems keeping up with pre-LS1 8's. And with my mods, once I hit 3K RPM they're gone. All racing done on track, so the other driver SHOULD be flogging it.
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auto VN SS will beat auto EL XR6
auto VN SS will beat manual EL XR6 +manual to the VNSS and kiss your EL good bye. End of story
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The VN Commodore SS weighed in at 1377 kilos.
The EL XR6 weighs in at 1536 kilos. Power to weight wise the VN has 119kw per tonne vs El at 106kw per tonne. That is over 10% more power per tonne to the VN! That is nor the whole story tho, the 304 V8 has bags of torque from idle, where as we all know, the 4.0 litre takes a little while to come on strong. The VN SS is the quicker car by some margin. The EL will be quicker around a track due to better brakes, and better handling, but in a traffic light duel the EL driver will have his a** handed to him on a platter! I've been there and done that on more occasions than I care to remember............ It amazes me that some guys on this forum will just say "the ford is quicker......" than almost any car purely because they have one. Get over it.......who cares.......the VN is an absolute pile of sh_t anywho. It looks stupid, rattles more than a baby toy, and has nothing else going for it other than straight line speed! My old (pretty healthy) EB XR8 Manual wouldn't keep up with a VN SS, but I still had the better car! Anyway, that's what I reckon!
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Those figures don't mean anything! One could get power down to the road better than the other. VN SS's are not that quick. I'm positive an XR6 manual would beat it. We're not talking group A's here, just your regular SS.
I will tell my own little story: Back when our family wagon (EF series 2 auto) was about 90 000km old, we raced a VL (!) Commodore 5.0litre. It had the jump on us and got 1 body length in front. However, it didn't get any further in front and we passed it after reaching 140km/h. This Commodore seemed quite healthy too. We slowed down to turn off, and this bloke was so intent on beating us he passed us and turned off in front of us. I don't think he enjoyed losing. Anywayz, a VL is even lighter than a VN, still had the 5.0L V8, so would most likely have more kW per tonne. Why did a heavy family wagon match it? For the same reason an EL XR6 MANUAL would match or beat a VN SS. A Falcon with a manual gearbox has pretty serious go! |
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| voxace |
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Ahh VL's weren't injected, and had bugger all power due to the conversion to unleaded. They had like 122kW or something stingy like that. They are slower than the RB30's lol.
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| Steady ED |
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That is why these threads suck a**.
People give you cold, hard, facts, and then someone with personal experience 'disproves' them. 140k's? Dragstrips ain't long enough for a stock EF auto to reach that... That's like me putting a 2.92 diff in the Sprint, dragging an M5, then passing it after it's been hitting it's 250km/h limiter for 3 hours... And then claiming the win by posting on here. edit: Or I could switch on my brain and use voxaces much shorter, better argument
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