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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:41 pm 
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Just thought i would ask if anyone out there is running a EMS Stinger in their falcons.

I just got my engine and transmission rebuilt ready for the turbo i have sitting on the shelf at home, and the performance shop installed an EMS Stinger to run the whole show.

It has these options

* Injector types eg, Multi-Point 1, Multi-Point 2 & Throttle Body
* Anti-Lag, Drag and Rally
* Selectable sensor applications eg Magnetic or Hall
* Selectable triggers
* Selectable No. Cylinders
* Selectable Ignition types
* Stage Injection
* Boost Cut
* Rev Limit (Rev Soft)
* Rev Cut
* On Board Map Sensor
* Engine Status
* Displays current status of engine. ie

Water temperature in Deg C ( -20 to +235 )
Air temperature in Deg C ( -20 to +235 )
Manifold pressure in K.P.A ( -100 to + 155 )
Engine RPM ( 0 to 12500 )
Fuel pulse in milliseconds (mS) ( configurable )
Battery voltage in Volts ( 6.5 to 23 )
Throttle position in % opening ( 0 to 100 )
Ignition in Deg. advanced (Static to 51°)

--Inputs--

*Built in manifold pressure sensor to measure engine load.
*Barometric pressure compensation. (Autocompensation for different weather conditions and changes in altitude).
*Internal battery voltage sensing and compensation.
*Air temperature sensing (compensation to Fuel or Ignition)
*Water temperature sensing (compensation to Fuel or Ignition)
*Programmable for different Air/Water Sensors.
*Selectable - Hall, magnetic or optical on trigger circuit.
*Selectable - Hall, magnetic or optical on sync circuit.
*Throttle position sensing

--Outputs--

*Adjustable ignition timing ( 0 - 51 Deg. Advance in 0.2 Deg. increments).
*Adjustable dwell control ( 0 - 5 mS).
*4 Ignition outputs for sequential ignition timing.
*4 injector drivers incorporating 4 to 1 current ratio for injector response and lower power consumption

*2 Auxiliary outputs

Each o/p has 12 options – eg, Boost control, thermo fans,NOS, Tacho, Warning lights, A/conditioning control,Water Methanol Inj., Shift light, Idle control, Cam control (Vtec), Fuel pump control with automatic safety cut out if engine stalls, and many more.

*Data Logging to Laptop which was included as an optional feature


DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE SUITABLE FOR MY APPLICATION
(CIRCUIT RACING, DRAG RACING and STREET CRUISING@Speed Limit)
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:37 pm 
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spend a lil more and get the 8860
worth the extra dollars, youll save it in tuning time

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:12 pm 
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The stinger does not do real time tuning which can cost more in the end than the 8860 if you're paying someone to tune.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:53 pm 
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also if you have a look it has very poor resolution in boost. Only 2 load sites.
Go for something more advanced if you want good drivability and more engine life. - see CPU comparison sticky.

 

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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:20 pm 
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Take a look at the EMS Website here is a comparison with the 8860 and the Stinger 3 - sorry should have said stinger 3 up in the first post. as that is what is in my car.

ECU Comparison

http://www.emsnorthamerica.com/ecu_specifications.htm
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:20 pm 
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Take a look at the EMS Website here is a comparison with the 8860 and the Stinger 3 - sorry should have said stinger 3 up in the first post. as that is what is in my car.

ECU Comparison

http://www.emsnorthamerica.com/ecu_specifications.htm

It has real time mapping and most of the other options that the 8860 has.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:09 pm 
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8860 for sure.

A few critial points

Drivers peak & hold 8 Vs 4 - You have a 6cyl, 4 injector outputs arent enough if you want to run sequential

3D tuning table RPM X Load sites (Maximum) 96 X 32 Vs 26 X 11 - Can never have too much resolution

Fuel table RPM/Load sites are independent of Ignition table YES vs NO - Independant tables would be benificial

 

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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:51 pm 
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^^^ thats the stinger your talking bout rite?

check the new auto tune software with the 8860, its to die for!

I made a entire fuel and ign map, 80% correct and much more drivable then before ( and efficent ) in about 2-3 hrs of driving on the street. Easy and cost effictive

I found a good EMS tuner in perth ( i thought there wasnt such a thing) with a dyno, so ill take it there after i have a bit more of a play and ill tell ya how it goes :D

 

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