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 Post subject: EB Camshaft, Which one?
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:26 pm 
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What wade cam should i go with for my EB, i'm goin all out on basic mods such as:
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and possibly ECU and T5

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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:05 pm 
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Another newbie......Welcome to Fordmods.

The popular Wade cams are 1636, 1673 & 977b. With an auto, Wade recommend the 1636 with a factory ECU. If you have a hi-stall converter you can use one of the other two. With a manual, you can use a 1673 or 977b. (all this is a mentioned on their website)

A vernier gear is recommended if you want to dial the cam in, plus a J3 chip & dynotune to get the air/fuel ratio correct through the rev range. Some cars have idle problems with the 977b, but with a J3 chip that can be sorted out. You can also go further and fit an aftermarket ECU but it can be expensive.

If you go to Wade's forum on Fordmods, read through the feedback for these cams (Grechie is one of the guys who's done a bit of testing with all 3 cams).

 

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 Post subject: Re: EB Camshaft, Which one?
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:06 am 
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1673 minimum IMHO

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:37 am 
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I might depend on how you'll drive the car most of the time. You might not appreciate a big cam for long if you're just commuting and driving around under 2000rpm most of the time.

If you've got an auto, I'd go with the 1636. You'll need to reset the 'base idle' to 650 rpm to stop it hunting and stalling. I've just put one in my EF and I'm very happy with it. I'm still running it in so I can't comment on the top end just yet. More power from 1200 rpm onwards than a stock cam. The car has become effortless to drive. It idles a little faster than stock and the exhaust note is a bit louder.

If you've got a manual, then I'd go for the 1636 or 1673 for everyday use.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:05 am 
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When I had the 1636, it used to hunt a bit too. After it was dynotuned, the mechanic pointed out that it idled better with an increase in fuel pressure. The engine seemed to falter a bit when cruising at 100km/h with the standard fuel regulator. Probably running a bit lean.

I'd recommend installing an 300KPa XR6 fuel pressure reg & J3 chip (with an XR6 tune) as well.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:50 am 
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I'll admit I have never used or been in a car with a 1636, but I do have he 1673, and its not a large cam at all, theres not a lot of room for a cam between stock and 1673 if you get what I mean.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:00 pm 
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big cams make more power, but at higher revs, which in turn can make the car feel slower in normal driving conditions, unless its full throttle 3000rpm clutch dumps

smaller cams like the 1636 make power lower in the revs and can actually feel stronger than a big cam through the mid range revs
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:52 pm 
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thanks heaps for the feedback aye! this car will be my "toy car" wont be driving everyday, jus have it out for fun and cruises.

Where bouts is this Wade forum?
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:08 pm 
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i have a 1673 with 114LSA (as apposed to 113LSA) and it actually has more power and torque down low than the standard cam!
it doesnt surge (ie no power then lots of power).
i cant comment on the hunting as i have a gas research t/b, but i doubt it would hunt on a normal falcon.
this would be the minimum you should get, i would almost go the 977b with 114LSA if you wanted it to rev out.

i dont even have a J3 chip or extractors either...

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:54 pm 
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whats the 114LSA?
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:42 pm 
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LSA is lob seperation.
going a higher number helps spread kind of spread the power curve out slightly.
it makes the lower revs a bit friendlier.
it was only 1 degree, but its enough to help make a difference.
i havent been in a car with a standard 1673 but in mine it hasnt lost any power at all down low, it def picked up a bit.
with a proper tune it would pick up heaps with more timing in the lower revs
i dont really get the max revs out of it as im running a standard exhaust manifold (going turbo soon), so i cant comment on the top end, but id imagine it would be quite good.

once the turbo is on i will look into getting a 977b at 114lsa cause you could def get away with it in an auto i rekn

 

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