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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:12 am 
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im not understanding the question here...... you asked if you should get exhaust or cam, but then later mentioned you already have a extractors & full exhaust.

....so... get the cam i guess :lol:

forget about "lumpy" as you need a fairly big cam to get a lumpy idle in these falcons. Then you also need things like stronger valve springs, high compression, high stall, shorter diff gears, chip and custom tune to get the most out of it

have a look though the Wade cams, and Crescent motorsport sponsor threads for ideas on which cam to get, then get back to us with your findings & any further queries
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:48 pm 
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Hey Skidder how come you would steer clear of EA-EB t5 conversions?
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:10 pm 
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Mainly just the box because later boxes have better synchros (fibre v brass) and better bearings on the countershaft (tapered roller v straight roller) and under gears (needle v journal).

 

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Cramping in the hand from having it on your Wang for an excessive period of time is a definate con.
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:51 pm 
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ive been looking at the cms stage 3 cam also the crow cams stage 3 cam any ideas?
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:13 am 
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CMS stage 3 is far to big for a stock head.

Joe will tell you that himself.

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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:36 am 
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would the crow stage 3 fit in without head work ? What cam you guys rekon i should put in for good sound and a bit of kw gain ?
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:51 pm 
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I would go a CMS stage 3, even without headwork; his gear has got a pretty good wrap from those using it and even being held back by the head you will still get a good gain.

 

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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:04 pm 
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the cms 3 needs heavier valve springs minimum..
maybe try the stage 2 as this can be used on std springs..

i had the crow 22519 cam which is i think is there stage 3 and it worked fine on std springs..
it didnt give me the go i expected though..
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:34 pm 
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if i wanted stage 3 cms what am i needing to upgrade and how much am i lookin at for just parts ?
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:14 pm 
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Well, CMS recommend a stage 2 head minimum for use with the stage 3 cam, which will be around the 8 to 900 mark.

Oh, and without a manual transmission or a high stall convertor with an auto, it won't work well at all.

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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:06 pm 
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so its either the stage2 cms cam or the stage 3 crow cam which one would be better for kw gain and sound? any other cams you know and would recomend is better?
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:45 am 
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out of the crow3 or cms2 i would choose the cms2!
what about wade cams?
wade cams are well known for good power gains aswell..
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:39 am 
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ok well fill me in with which one you recomend also how much around the 500 mark is how much i gotta spend on just the parts
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:51 am 
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i reckon do it properly, no point getting half the results.

at least get some Crow XR valve springs, then pick a medium range cam like a CMS stg3 or a wade 977b for example. Then get a J3 chip and custom tune. When the headgasket goes, get some larger exhaust valves and machine the head plus use an AU gasket for more compression...... it all helps for the final results.

in all honesty, i would save a bit more and get a 4.11LSD diff fitted..... with your car being auto, it really needs some better gearing to get it off the mark quicker. I think you will notice better results with a diff gear change, than another 20rwkw's
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 Post subject: Re: exhuast or cam
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:57 pm 
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anyone know of any cam dealers in perth ?
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