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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:19 am 
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BHP is NOT at the wheels! BHP does NOT = RWKW

"Brake horsepower (BHP) is the amount of work generated by a motor without taking into consideration any of the various auxiliary components that may slow down the actual speed of the motor. Sometimes referred to as pure horsepower, brake horsepower is measured within the engine’s output shaft. Depending on the configuration of the engine, the point on the output shaft that is the focus of the measurement is the engine dynamometer. "

" the actual horsepower of an engine, measured by a brake attached to the drive shaft and recorded on a dynamometer"


This is not the same as your explanation its the complete opposite.
So id say you posted the evidence to prove yourself wrong dude :D i rest my case
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:21 am 
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No its not power at the tyres, that includes both diff and gearbox ratios, BHP does not!
Its just basically an engine dyno readout when nothing is sapping the power like an alternator, power steering pump, AC etc.

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i wish you people would actually know stuff before you post stupid answers


I agree! Swallow some pride and go back to your books.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:23 am 
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krisisdog wrote:
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250 bhp = 185kw at the fly. Thats pretty achievable! It would only be around 150rwkw!


250 bhp is at the tyres not the flywheel, brake horsepower isnt at ther motor only foreign people say that(top gear) it is equivalent to 186.5 kw at the tyres.
And yes the hemi 6 makes 350hp at the tyres(coz its a hemi :D )


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Brake horsepower is what the engine makes with all accessories fitted, not at the wheels. Its a measurement of the actual power available in real world situations.
If I'm wrong, find an article/document stating otherwise...


What did you say???
Talk about a 180
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:23 am 
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milo 302 wrote:
krisisdog wrote:
BHP is NOT at the wheels! BHP does NOT = RWKW

"Brake horsepower (BHP) is the amount of work generated by a motor without taking into consideration any of the various auxiliary components that may slow down the actual speed of the motor. Sometimes referred to as pure horsepower, brake horsepower is measured within the engine’s output shaft. Depending on the configuration of the engine, the point on the output shaft that is the focus of the measurement is the engine dynamometer. "

" the actual horsepower of an engine, measured by a brake attached to the drive shaft and recorded on a dynamometer"


This is not the same as your explanation its the complete opposite.
So id say you posted the evidence to prove yourself wrong dude :D i rest my case


Yeh it is the opposite of what I originally posted I thought BHP was. I thought it was with accessories, turns out it is without them,
BUT GUESS WHAT?!?!?!?

ITS STILL NOT A MEASUREMENT AT THE WHEELS!!!!!!!! :o

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:24 am 
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Being that you are 20 i reckon ive forgotten more than you will ever know :D
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:25 am 
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krisisdog wrote:
milo 302 wrote:
krisisdog wrote:
BHP is NOT at the wheels! BHP does NOT = RWKW

"Brake horsepower (BHP) is the amount of work generated by a motor without taking into consideration any of the various auxiliary components that may slow down the actual speed of the motor. Sometimes referred to as pure horsepower, brake horsepower is measured within the engine’s output shaft. Depending on the configuration of the engine, the point on the output shaft that is the focus of the measurement is the engine dynamometer. "

" the actual horsepower of an engine, measured by a brake attached to the drive shaft and recorded on a dynamometer"


This is not the same as your explanation its the complete opposite.
So id say you posted the evidence to prove yourself wrong dude :D i rest my case


Yeh it is the opposite of what I originally posted I thought BHP was. I thought it was with accessories, turns out it is without them,
BUT GUESS WHAT?!?!?!?

ITS STILL NOT A MEASUREMENT AT THE WHEELS!!!!!!!! :o



Id say you were wrong then ay.
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:27 am 
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True, gotta play the age card when all else fails huh :roll:
But, even if thats true, you're still wrong! haha

edit - yes I was wrong. I still said it was an engine figure, not a figure at the f**k wheels like you did you clown.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:28 am 
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And you are arguing a point that you had wrong to begin with anyhow, typical fordmods style.
Good luck with getting 400hp out of a gay 4.0, never happen :cry:
At least v8 owners are realistic about their power guestimations and limitations, you six cylinder guys will never learn. 400hp hahaha
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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:29 am 
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milo 302 you need to calm down...
i beleive you are wrong..
i learnt the opposite to what you are saying..

just for you...
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-brake-horsepower.htm
Brake horsepower (BHP) is the amount of work generated by a motor without taking into consideration any of the various auxiliary components that may slow down the actual speed of the motor. Sometimes referred to as pure horsepower, brake horsepower is measured within the engine’s output shaft. Depending on the configuration of the engine, the point on the output shaft that is the focus of the measurement is the engine dynamometer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepower
Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, alternator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as power steering pump, muffled exhaust system, etc. Brake refers to a device which was used to load an engine and hold it at a desired RPM. During testing, the output torque and rotational speed were measured to determine the brake horsepower. Horsepower was originally measured and calculated by use of the indicator (a James Watt invention of the late 18th century), and later by means of a De Prony brake connected to the engine's output shaft. More recently, an engine dynamometer is used instead of a De Prony brake. The output delivered to the driving wheels is less than that obtainable at the engine's crankshaft.

http://autorepair.about.com/library/glo ... ef-406.htm
BRAKE HORSEPOWER (bhp)
Definition: The measure of an engine's horsepower without the loss in power caused by the gearbox, generator, differential, water pump and other auxiliaries. The actual horsepower delivered to the driving wheels is less.

so before you go tell people to kiss your a** and tell people they are dreamers.
i think might need to re check your facts.....
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:30 am 
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milo 302 wrote:
And you are arguing a point that you had wrong to begin with anyhow, typical fordmods style.


Oh I see, I was right on where the figure was taken from, though wrong on what exactly was fitted to the motor.
You were wrong as you stated it was a figure from the wheels, and in typical fordmods style, you argued this point.

Please tell, just how old you actually are?

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:34 am 
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Im 32 and i finished my trade in 99 so id say i would know alot more than you without being too C**k :D
What now?
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Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:40 am 
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Ive been a mechanic almost as long as you have been alive, i was turning spanners years before your nuts even thought about dropping.
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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:42 am 
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Am i clever enough to go up against a 20 year old with all your life experience and knowledge, i dont think i need to worry 8-)
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 Post subject: Re: Is 300KW N/A at the fly possible?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:43 am 
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What now? lol. Certainly sound like you're 32!
Seriously though, I dunno, why dont you have a stab at TROYMAN? He agrees with me 100%, even quoted 3 sources for you to look at to show you were in fact incorrect.

I think its pretty clear you wont accept that you're wrong, and there's no further point arguing with you about it.
Anyone and everyone who reads this will be able to see that you're an arrogant prick that is sadly misinformed, and is probably just out trolling...

 

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another thread ruined by stupidity... stop the bickering ffs!!!!

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