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 Post subject: Re: not good!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:37 pm 
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Just quickly the sims are different width. You would 100% know if you put a 14 mil with an 11 mil..
They look completely diff side to side so if they looked the same don;t worry there isn't a differernt thickness
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:38 am 
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nar me and my dad just pulled the original shims out and put two in.it didnt reset it self because i tried starting it a day later and no change.so what would i need to do to reset the shims just pull the rocker gear back off then pull the shims out clean em up then put them back? when we bolted it back up i noticed that every second rocker (the little arm thing that swivels dont no what its called) was sitting lower than the other?we just pulledevery thing off then put it baack together just put extra shims in :?

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:08 am 
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wasnt there a billet and a regrind cam available from wade?
only the regrinds need the extra shim
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:06 am 
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Wade wont do billet anymore as there's non available. They would have known price wise what they were getting anyway
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:46 pm 
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If it cranks like there is no compression did you dial it in right?

You definitely dialled it in at TDC and not 180 degrees out (TDC only occurs on every second crank revolution)?

I doubt the shims would be holding valves open because you have to fit an extra shim... its not an option...

Sounds like you've messed something else up... :?

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:52 pm 
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slammeb wrote:
Wade wont do billet anymore as there's non available. They would have known price wise what they were getting anyway


OP bought it off a member...could have been a billet since it is second hand. Then again seller wouldn't have included shims.

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nar me and my dad just pulled the original shims out and put two in.it didnt reset it self because i tried starting it a day later and no change.so what would i need to do to reset the shims just pull the rocker gear back off then pull the shims out clean em up then put them back? when we bolted it back up i noticed that every second rocker (the little arm thing that swivels dont no what its called) was sitting lower than the other?we just pulledevery thing off then put it baack together just put extra shims in :?


You reset the lifters not the shim. Pull the lifter out, push a nail into the ball bearing and the lifter should collapse. Then put them back in in the collapsed position. Should reset itself then.

Also make sure the shims are put in the right way and that the lifter housing is cleaned properly...to make sure the broken retainer plastics aren't stuck in there. Also clean the lifters if there are some retainers on them.

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:07 pm 
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Also make sure the shims are put in the right way


Ah yes. If that top shim is not in the right way, it will push the lifter out another 2mm.

Is anyone starting to feel that clashing sound of valves meeting pistons. :?

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:07 pm 
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did the cam gear go back into postition in the keyway when you put it back together?

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:41 pm 
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get a workshop manual or research the proper method for shimming the HLA's, there should be a gap (i dunno what size though) between the top of the valve stem and the bottom of a correctly shimmed COLLAPSED HLA, most of us on here just half a*** it though and let the HLA's sort themselves out.

whats the likelyhood that youve got the cam out of phase with the crank/pistons? if the chain has jumped a lot of teeth on the crank sprocket or if youve got it 180degrees out on the cam sprocket it might act like your describing (but again i dont know if thats easy to do on a falcon engine)

best bet is to pull the rocker cover off, and use a manual to set the timing up again properly (ie crank at TDC1 etc etc)

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:43 pm 
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JOSE wrote:
get a workshop manual or research the proper method for shimming the HLA's, there should be a gap (i dunno what size though) between the top of the valve stem and the bottom of a correctly shimmed COLLAPSED HLA, most of us on here just half a*** it though and let the HLA's sort themselves out.


.4 to 1.1mm, but its measured at the lobe. Not the valve stem top.
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:45 pm 
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arm79 wrote:
JOSE wrote:
get a workshop manual or research the proper method for shimming the HLA's, there should be a gap (i dunno what size though) between the top of the valve stem and the bottom of a correctly shimmed COLLAPSED HLA, most of us on here just half a*** it though and let the HLA's sort themselves out.


.4 to 1.1mm, but its measured at the lobe. Not the valve stem top.


see if id gone and got my workshop manual i would have known that :)

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:03 pm 
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4 or 5 shims where on back wards would that of made any difference? i pulled them all apart and some of the pushers are abit squashy is that normal?

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:23 pm 
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cam timing has to be out, if you dont have the shims in or right it will just rattle and break s**t later on, it wont stop it from starting.

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:46 pm 
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Did you solve this at all? It sounds EXACTLY like my issue. I've had front off engine twice to confirm no teeth had jumped.

Just can't solve it!

When timing is set I check the cam and it is exactly how it should be according to pic's and advise given. Even chucked a standard cam on with just orginal 1 shim but yeh.

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:41 pm 
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Hey yeah guys I solved the problem I just took the extra shim that I put in I took it out cos both the shims that were in there were the thicker ones.cheers for all the advice guys:)

 

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