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 Post subject: Raptor on EB
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:57 pm 
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I would like to bolt the Raptor SC to my EB XR6.. The system being EF onwards compatible is certainly a snag. What do I need to rectify this problem.

My quick assumption is to use an EL Manifold and gut the dual runner system.
will there be any problems using this method. (I think BAXR6T have the system removed)

--also is it worthwile keeping the dual system with the sc for more power and finding an ecu to switch.

Also will there be any mounting issues for the supercharger system because of engine differences....

Any advice would be appreciated :D

*note I have spoken to Raptor however I need to be sure before I buy :wink:

 

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:18 am 
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Changing over to the later manifold is easy, and I assume you would need to change the front dress on the engine to match the EF/EL. Again, this is a relatively straight forward swap, including a thermo fan conversion. A few hundred bucks and a few hours later you have an EF 4L as far as the supercharger kit is concerned.

 

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:11 pm 
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Mate if you have talked to Tim then you should have the heads up.
I have a Raptor so if i can help i will,PM me if you want.

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:50 pm 
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Yeah I spoke to Tim, he thought it would work out sweet. I was very impressed with how he explained things and infact, the raptor product in general... Great (and honest) power increases and certainly affordable. I will be sure to PM you. I guess anybody else that has had a Raptor supercharger feel free to post. It would be nice to have as much feedback as possible.

Anything really: Power, sound, fitment, any problems, mods, exhaust, cam setups...etc etc

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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:34 pm 
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Icarus wrote:
Yeah I spoke to Tim, he thought it would work out sweet. I was very impressed with how he explained things and infact, the raptor product in general... Great (and honest) power increases and certainly affordable. I will be sure to PM you. I guess anybody else that has had a Raptor supercharger feel free to post. It would be nice to have as much feedback as possible.

Anything really: Power, sound, fitment, any problems, mods, exhaust, cam setups...etc etc

Thankyou



Hi Mate,

I like Cooky have a Raptor kit installed aswell, Definately money worth spent thats for sure, If you want to have a listen to it at idle just go to this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr43AFrt9mw thats on my Territory, Pacemaker headers, Hi-flow cat, 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust. Have got cams in now and it needs re tunning to suit but that vid is with no cams and is the first start up with the kit on

All I can say mate is Just Do It. You wont regret it that is for sure, I should have done it earlier myself.
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:43 pm 
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Yep we had the discussion, the other sticking point could be the aircon, you would need to run the same compressor and mounting as EF - EL, now to be honest I am not sure if it will cross over or not, should be plenty knowledgeable people around to answer this little question for you ......

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:07 am 
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I checked with a tuner about keeping the butterflies in the broadband manifold, he advised me to do this as it will help with low down because superchargers also have a spooling time.

Now I am searching for a good ECU to switch the butterflies and properly tune instead of using the flash tune with the kit.

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:50 pm 
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Mate there's no spooling time.
From idle on the vacuum and under load you are making boost.Not a lot i make about a pound and a half as soon as the vacuum cuts in.
What he probably meant is that more boost with more revs.
I can be cruising at any speed at light load/no load and the bypass valve can be opened.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor on EB
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:55 pm 
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Yep we had the discussion, the other sticking point could be the aircon, you would need to run the same compressor and mounting as EF - EL, now to be honest I am not sure if it will cross over or not, should be plenty knowledgeable people around to answer this little question for you ......


I am looking into this now in another thread asking about thermofan/serpentine conversion. I will pm you maybe you could email me some pictures of how the supercharger mounts. Apparently EL Airconditioner units don't use a bracket but mount directly to the block using 3 spacers (see thread: thermofan conversion.)

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:13 pm 
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I rigged the bbm to open under boost on my turbo eb. I dont run any of the stock el setup, i just run the vacuum line that runs from the diaphragm that opens the bbm, straight to the manifold so it gets boost when boost kicks in.

Now what i did was set up a spring that holds the butterflies closed, now this spring is adjustable so i get the right tension. I set it up with a low pressure regulator on an air compressor. By adjusting the spring tension i got the bbm to switch over at exactly 7psi (where i wanted it) so under normal running the bbm is closed and makes full effectiveness of the torque of the turbo and is also closed under vacuum. But when im into it and she hits 7psi BANG! bbm opens and f**k the switch over + the big boost is awesome (well ok not that big 10psi).

 

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 Post subject: Re: Raptor on EB
Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:22 pm 
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Haha, that sounds like a fun ride 8-)

That sounds like a good setup but isn't timing supposed to adjust when the butterflies open or is that not as relevant in boosted applications?

What do you use for an ECU?

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:32 pm 
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Standard ecu 8-) (ed xr6). i have made it a goal to see how far and how much power i can make on the standard ecu :)

As i said i didn't worry about the computer controlling it, im pretty sure in standard form they don't open till 3800rpm anyway. I prefer to have it setup to open on boost, because under 7psi im not that into it and obviously want torque, but after 7psi i want h/p and revs so need a short intake tract, so she switches over.

I hope this all makes sense. f**k i should of done a build thread :)

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:36 pm 
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What about fuel? I was under the impression bigger injectors/fuel pump are required for boosted falcons.

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:52 pm 
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Yeah the injectors out of a magna 4cly (the blue tops) flow more, 24lbs over the falcons 18lbs (e-series) and fit straight in. And get a raising rate regulator for fuel pressure under boost.
Im running 42 lb injectors and am on E85 :)

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:53 pm 
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Oh yeah and a walbro 225 fuel pump too.

 

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