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 Post subject: XC Dizzy into XF - Everything seems fine,but wont go in hole
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:28 pm 
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Hi. I bought an XC Distributor/leads/cap off eBay and figured I would get it to mate to my XF so I can say for sure that I have a points car. (I'm a bit of a survivalist.) I've got the electrics down pat and the distributor in there at the moment is a hall effect type with the Bosch ignition module on the distributor itself (No car body computer to worry about, that has been out of action for a while now anyway).

I've done some measurements with a set of calipers and everything seems okay for the shaft to go into the hole but something is stopping it from going further. Is it the gear?

Has anyone else had experience with this?

I'll paste some images later on, I'm heading off at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: XC Dizzy into XF - Everything seems fine,but wont go in hole
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:34 pm 
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sometimes it gets stuck on the hex drive for the oil pump, try using a socket on an extension to turn the oil pump drive 1/4 turn or so (dont loose the socket in there though)

 

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 Post subject: Re: XC Dizzy into XF - Everything seems fine,but wont go in hole
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 9:35 pm 
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JOSE wrote:
sometimes it gets stuck on the hex drive for the oil pump, try using a socket on an extension to turn the oil pump drive 1/4 turn or so (dont loose the socket in there though)

the way i did it on my el was i stuck the distributor down the only way i could get it to go all the way, spun the engine around until the dizzy was pointing #1, and then i removed the dizzy and spun the motor around to#1 tdc and the distributor slipped straight in where i needed it to go,

 

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 Post subject: Re: XC Dizzy into XF - Everything seems fine,but wont go in hole
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:45 am 
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You must put the XF gear onto the XC dizzy.....the teeth have different angles....just say that the XF is metric, and the XC is Imperial.
I remember hearing about this many years ago.

 

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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:38 pm 
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You must put the XF gear onto the XC dizzy.....the teeth have different angles....just say that the XF is metric, and the XC is Imperial.
I remember hearing about this many years ago.


Thanks heaps, that is what I thought was going on. Will test the theory out in a few days time and swap them over, got rego coming up real soon.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:16 pm 
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There was a shaft size change from XD sometime - perhaps this is the problem.

The Non-EST, but electronic Dizzy (from an XE) is actually the most reliable one there
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:34 pm 
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There was a shaft size change from XD sometime - perhaps this is the problem.

The Non-EST, but electronic Dizzy (from an XE) is actually the most reliable one there


I know this to be the case with the V8's....but the 6's, I don't know.
But as I mentioned before, I remember something about the angle of the dizzy drive teeth on the cam are different from XC/XD to XF.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:47 pm 
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I'm fairly sure the shaft size is different
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is the dizzy a crossflow or precrossflow? i tried fitting a precrossflow dizzy into a crossflow block today and the shaft for the oil pump drive was too big.

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:59 pm 
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Im fairly sure the Deliniation point was either XE, or XD Alloy head. Actually im fairly sure it was the Alloy Head Block that got the different Dizzy. So the Electronic Distributor wasnt able to just be retrofitted to the Steel Head engines.
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:15 pm 
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The gear on the bottom of shaft is different.
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Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:54 pm 
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I think the shaft sizes are different...old shafts might be 1/2", and the new stuff might be 12mm or 12.5mm.....something like that.

 

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Since I have been playing with an XD electronic dizzy....it has a 12.5 mm shaft size....as does the Bosch dizzy I was playing with from a Slant 6.

 

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:54 pm 
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Early dizzy shafts are bigger and won't fit in the later block.
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