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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:36 pm 
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Ig you want something a little more user friendly (but don't generally allow these kinds of 'mods' to be made) have a look at PCMSCAN or ProScan.

I still use hyperterminal for the reading and writing to the cluster (as the above tools don't let you change away from the PCM).

 

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:02 am 
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Wow !! Great stuff .
For what its worth Jaycar have an OBD 11 scan tool listed in their cataloge along with a special note that they are tired of being a free hire centre & know its a good product so no long accept returns under their satisfaction guarantee.

So I think maybe its worth checking out one of their many shop soiled returns .

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:08 am 
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auMatt and I are working separately on software that will work with the ELM and is specific to the BA/BF/SX/SY.

You'll struggle to find any software on the market that can do much more with an ELM than just the standard J1979 stuff. Even the Jaycar tool can only do that.

Tools with proprietary BA Ford capability are always $2000 or more. The closest you'll get is ScanXL - which is made my PalmerPerformance and is the evolution of PCMSCAN - but this only has Ford Specific codes from the PCM, and you have to buy the Ford specfic stuff on top of the base ScanXL software.


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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:56 am 
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Yeah I have so far written 2 programs, B Series Cluster Tool which is an ELM compatible Instrument Cluster tool that allows you to setup all the options via the can bus, also has functions to check speedo/tacho calibration etc.

My other program is the B Series Cluster EEPROM Tool, which allows you to edit a Cluster EEPROM file (which you would need to get from the on board EEPROM). This allows you to do alot more as in set different speedo ranges, change cluster to a High series and also change the odometer etc.

Both of these are in final testing stages now.

I am looking at developing at least another 2 or 3 programs, B Series PCM Tool and BEM Tool and a B Series DTC Tool. The DTC tool will be released on here when its complete.

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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:02 am 
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aumatt wrote:
Yeah I have so far written 2 programs, B Series Cluster Tool which is an ELM compatible Instrument Cluster tool that allows you to setup all the options via the can bus, also has functions to check speedo/tacho calibration etc.

My other program is the B Series Cluster EEPROM Tool, which allows you to edit a Cluster EEPROM file (which you would need to get from the on board EEPROM). This allows you to do alot more as in set different speedo ranges, change cluster to a High series and also change the odometer etc.

Both of these are in final testing stages now.

I am looking at developing at least another 2 or 3 programs, B Series PCM Tool and BEM Tool and a B Series DTC Tool. The DTC tool will be released on here when its complete.

Matt


Thats awesome Matt, i said to luke ages ago if he could develop such a thing id be happy to contribut emoney towards it, as i am no where near as geeky as you guy sat reading binary and playing with hyper term

 

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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:50 am 
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Mi Moit came to work today with his MIL light on. BF XR6T. Freaked him out a bit.

So we plugged in and pulled out the DTC's from all his modules. Thought I'd share them with yooz. I've pulled out the DTC's and converted them. What i haven't shown is the command to change the Header between modules, and to change to ISO and set the values for the RCM.


PCM

>220200
7E8 04 62 02 00 07

>1800ff00
7E8 10 17 58 07 05 00 20 15
7E8 21 02 20 15 72 20 19 36
7E8 22 20 D0 39 20 D9 00 20
7E8 23 E5 14 20 00 00 00 00

0500 P0500 Vehicle Speed Sensor A
1502 P1502 Vehicle speed sensor signal intermittent
1572 P1572 Brake On/Off Switch circuit failure
1936 P1936 Clutch Switch/Sensor Signal
d039 U1039 Vehicle speed signal missing or incorrect
d900 U1900 %h(CAN) communication bus fault
e514 U2514 Vehicle speed signal missing or incorrect


IC

>atsh720
OK

>220200
728 04 62 02 00 02

>1800ff00
728 10 08 58 02 E1 97 28 E2
728 21 00 20 00 00 00 00 00

E197 U2197 Invalid data for Vehicle Speed
E200 U2200 Invalid data for Odometer

BEM

>220200
72E 04 62 02 00 06

>1800ff00
72E 10 14 58 06 92 51 60 A0
72E 21 73 60 A0 75 60 A8 49
72E 22 20 A8 91 20 E1 97 60

9251 B1251 In car temperature sensor open circuit
a073 B2073 Seat Memory Module Data Line Open or Short to Ground
a075 B2075 Seat Memory Module Enable Line Open or Short to Ground
a849 B2849 Horn Output Relay Circuit Open
a891 B2891 Front Wiper Switch Potentiometer Circuit Failure
e197 U2197 Invalid data for Vehicle Speed


ICC

None

HIM

>220200
73B 04 62 02 00 06

>1800ff00
73B 10 14 58 06 96 76 2F 92
73B 21 42 2F D9 00 2F A0 14
73B 22 2F E1 97 2F E1 96 2F

9676 B1676 Battery Voltage out of range
9242 B1242 Air Flow Recirculation Door driver circuit failure
d900 U1900 %h(CAN) Communication Bus Fault - Receive Error
a014 B2014 Climate Control %h(A/C) Post Evaporator Sensor Open Circuit
e197 U2197 Invalid data for Vehicle Speed
e196 U2196 Invalid data for Engine %h(RPM)


ABS

None

RCM

None


He does have a dying battery, which would account for some of the low-volatge and CAN comms errors. The VSS is the big one - not sure if that's because of a low voltage or not. Some can be ignored - like internal temp sense and seat memory since he doesn't have them.

But the pedal Box errors and the BEM horn/wiper errors scare me a bit. Hopefully they are low-voltage triggered issues, otherwise they point to potential loom problems.

He's going to change the battery today, we'll reset the DTC's, and see how many come back over the weekend.


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Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:11 pm 
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Yeah, scares me a low battery can throw so many errors. VSS sounds problematic though, it's gotten from the ABS system, so I guess low voltage to it would cause ongoing issues with VSS too.


Glad you brought this thread back up....

Way back when, when I turned on the police modem all was good. it agreed with my GPS, and the speedo needle showed a few km/h more (3 to be exact).

Sunday I ran the battery somewhat flat, and while trying to turn it over (before I realised it was flat), I noticed it flash 'POLICE' in the odometer area (never seen that before), and now the needle, police mode readout, and GPS all match - weird.

Now what do you want me to check, to see what's possibly changed, why would the needle with it's factory implemented 'error' safety margin, now all of a sudden be correct.

I'll have to double check as I got new front tyres today, see if that's had any effect.

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:28 am 
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any ideas if possible to disable ABS all together?

I'm thinking in a retrofit situation which would stop the ecu / other things complaining about the abs system missing

also whats the best deal on the module and getting setup to fool around with ba can network??
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:34 am 
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glenneaux wrote:
any ideas if possible to disable ABS all together?

I'm thinking in a retrofit situation which would stop the ecu / other things complaining about the abs system missing

also whats the best deal on the module and getting setup to fool around with ba can network??


Not that I'm aware of with the tools I have. Maybe the custom flash software that's used with the SCT (CAPA/Herrod/BPT) Tools might be able to do it. I know they can disable Smartshield.

And all through this thread we talk about the ELM327. Go look it up on eBay. You should be able to get a 1.2a USB version for $50 incl shipping from China.


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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:39 am 
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VSS sounds problematic though, it's gotten from the ABS system, so I guess low voltage to it would cause ongoing issues with VSS too.


Yes, I was aware of that as well. But curiously, the ABS module doesn't come up with any DTC's at all. It did strike me as odd that all those other modules would throw up DTC's on no VSS when the ABS Module hasn't noticed a thing.

There's something else going on here. He does complain that every now and then his car starts and the speedo just doesn't work at all. On shut down and another restart it works fine. Various attempts to find the issue at his local service centre have turned up empty.

He's going to let me have the car over the weekend to do some more diagnostics. Aside from dumping the guts of all his modules, I'm interested in seeing if I can pull out the snapshot data that triggered his MIL, and do some full On Demand diagnstics, especially on that ABS.


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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:32 pm 
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Lukeyson wrote:
He does complain that every now and then his car starts and the speedo just doesn't work at all. On shut down and another restart it works fine.


I (similar to) had that, when I put HIDs into my spotlights/foggies/whatever you want to call them.

When turning them on, it'd trip the ABS system, and kill the speedo display (and of course anything else that relied on the speedo data - trans limp mode etc.). Moved the ballast/igniter box further away from the wheels and the problem hasn't resurfaced. I figured the initial high voltage starter required to fire the lights caused interference with the ABS sensor causing it to trip out.

So I'd be taking a close look at the ABS sensor wiring, making sure the tone ring/wheel isn't contaminated with metal filings etc.

 

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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:34 pm 
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In your case, if there was a sensor error, I would have expected the ABS to register a sensor error.

In this case, he has no errors at all on his ABS, just on all the modules that depend on the Speed that either the ABS or the PCM broadcasts on the network.

The BEM relies on it to change the speed-dependend variable intermittent wipers. not sure why The HIM needs it though. Maybe to compensate for the extra air flowing through the system at speed?


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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:15 pm 
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You're right I'd expect to see a ABS module error or two. But something to check anyway.

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:02 pm 
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Hi Lukeyson,

Did you have any luck on the weekend with the diagnostics you where doing??
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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:28 pm 
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HIM may need it to control air con pump, I know it will look at engine speed, maybe also watches speed to make sure it doesnt stall the engine when engaging.

BTW I have installed a couple of new features on my tool that cycles the speedo/tacho/fuel/temp needles to allow you to calibrate them.

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