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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:13 am 
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I'v been watching too. I love pictures :oops:

It is a very ambitious project, you dont seem too phased though. You also seem to be learning alot as you go along.

You could say that, I ooze confdence - NOT! :) This is a hell of a learning curve, I spend alot of time staring at things working how and what to do next. Then the EL will throw a curve ball at me. For example, I am putting the EL airbags in so need to figure out mounts for the two sensors (one in the grill area and one in the cabin around the old handbrake area) plus the airbag electronics. The electronics mount just up under the dash on the RH side, around the area where the ABS computer was. But guess what, the bloody mounts are different. Things like this are whats slowing me down.....

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:23 am 
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thats how i have learnt everything i know now, buy a car strip it and see how everything works. im worried about doing the dash conversion in my car but since benj andrew (pimpLTD) and now your doing it, im sure if i run into issues ill have some info

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:52 am 
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WOW!!!!

RD, you have made great progress Buddy.

My apologies for not getting around to your place, but, with my Wife now back from the USA, my attention, was elsewhere.

Re the sniffer motor, you have now of course found out, that in the EF/EL it is actually part of the control unit.

At least it is cooler today, although a little bit wet. Hopefully you will still be able to make progress.

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:34 am 
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BenJ wrote:
WOW!!!!

RD, you have made great progress Buddy.

My apologies for not getting around to your place, but, with my Wife now back from the USA, my attention, was elsewhere.

Re the sniffer motor, you have now of course found out, that in the EF/EL it is actually part of the control unit.

At least it is cooler today, although a little bit wet. Hopefully you will still be able to make progress.

Cheers
BenJ

Howdy pardner!

You have surfaced!!! I was thinking now your wife is home after 7 weeks that you wouldn't have been outside much :)

I'm getting there matey, got some decent sleep last night so rearing to go this morning. Rains stopped here so back at after my wake up coffee....

Cheers
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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:51 am 
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hug da bear wrote:
haha, im keen on updates. if i lived near you id be there helping out. there is something about cleaning engine bays that i like... call me crazy 8-)


You're bloody crazy.

Mad bloody bear. Been in that special honey pot too damn much or something?

racedirector wrote:
I was doing the whole blow by blow picture thing......... I'll probably feel better about it once it all starts to go back together as an ED/EL hybrid car.

Now, where is that list I need to update for my "to-do".....


Mate... When I go through my own build thread I see my own signature everywhere and no one says nothing until I totally screw something up, or get the car written off by some blind Asian. Never mind.

I like the blow by blow picture thing. If anyone is upset or annoyed by it then they can piss right off and read a book someplace else.

It takes a lot of effort to remember to take photos, document what was happening and upload to the damn net for other FordModders to look at. I've left my phone (camera) at home on a number of mod's that I could have put onto the build thread... Too bad, opportunity has gone as parts installed and hidden now.


Regarding - TO DO lists... They seem overwhelming all by themselves! Sometimes you're better off to simply throw the To DO list away once everything is sourced and you've pulled things apart. My TO DO list was three pages long and had details such as part numbers and everything all laid out for me. It was scary to look at, but with a few days most of it was done and it was thrown away. Which may explain why my air vent mod is still 75% complete.... Without that bit of paper to remind me, I simply make do with having no directional air out the drivers vent.

As you may (or may not) know, I hadn't even changed a brake disk until a year ago. When deciding to start pulling apart the EF wagon that alternates between love and hate on an hourly basis, I didn't know anything, but followed some stupid tech-doc from here. The tech-doc actually put me off doing it for ages, as it was going on and on about how long it would take and how tricky it was. Turns out it wasn't that bloody hard and didn't take that long. Guess a lot of documents are written with the lowest common denominator in mind.... IE - thick bastards.

You have a pile of parts and the pile keeps getting smaller until you're only left with a couple of bits that you obviously didn't really need... Carry on, get some sleep, lay off the P, ICE, COCAINE and stick to coffee....



And don't listen to anyone who owns a ED when they say ED fronts are sexy.
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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Wagon
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:30 pm 
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racedirector wrote:
I was doing the whole blow by blow picture thing because I thought it might benefit others that may try one or more of the things I am doing. This build does seem a little extreme compared to alot around so then I thought that was what was putting everyone off. I was just outside staring at the two cars thinking what the hell have I started but maybe things will look rosier in the morning. I am totally shagged right now from 3 days constant work without too much visible results and at least 4 or 5 more to come. I'll probably feel better about it once it all starts to go back together as an ED/EL hybrid car.

Now, where is that list I need to update for my "to-do".....

Cheers
RD


i love picture updates. makes the threads worth watching. nothing worse then a build thread thats all words.

keep up the good work. it'll look like a car soon enough
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:06 pm 
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And don't listen to anyone who owns a ED when they say ED fronts are sexy.



haha i dont own an ED.. never have :lol:

and they are.. damn sexyer then melted boxcar fronts

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:30 am 
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Well, here's an update for today, for those that have expressed interest :) No pics just yet, camera batteries died. Will take some tomorrow and post then.

With so many things to do, plus trying to keep the kids happy on their last day of holidays, I decided to deal with some simple stuff. First up, was attacking the airbag mounts required so I can finish up the dash. So I did the usual and drilled out the spot welds on the two mounts and extracted them from the EL. The sensor near the floor area is simple to install although I haven't done it yet. The control box is a little more tricky as I thought I could just locate under the dash area a little ways from it's original location in the EL. However, the under dash padding had other thoughts and the cutout specifically for the box no longer lined up. In the ED the ABS computer mounts under the dash also on totally a totally different mount, so I need to get rid of that to put the airbag box in the right place.

Not feeling like lying on my back again today, I then moved on to the cabin wiring. First job was to remove the ED's wiring which went smoothly until I got to the back. I then started with the very rear wiring that feeds the tailgate and interior lighting and what a bastard job getting the left hand taillight plugs up through the body cavity! After persevering with that I finally extracted the old wires and threw it out. Then I had to do that same to the EL. Installing it was a little easier although one difference had me scratching my head.

In the ED, on the right hand rear side is a block of relays along with another black box (WTF is that for?!). When I extracted the EL's I couldn't find the bloody block anywhere (I had previously started removing the EL's wiring) and I spent at least an hour looking for it everywhere. Turns out the bloody EL didn't have one, proven by the fact that there was no wiring/plug for it! SO, to cut a long story short, the ED now has EL cabin wiring. Oh, and the EL has different plugs then the ED's wiring for a lot of things so changing the tailgate and door/door looms is a must now :)

So then I thought I would tackle the wiring harness that I need the bloody big hole for in the side of the drivers footwell. The plan was to run it as far as I could and bore my required hole later. Well, I didn't get to run it anywhere! Turns out there are *more* differences between the ED & the EL in that area too. For a start, the hole that the wiring re-enters the engine bay through is closer to the windscreen that the ED and that little fact throws everything else off. Need another hole now :)

So I decide to play around with the wiring that runs across the front of the car, more differences to deal with later on that one too. I even temporarily installed the LH headlight, airbox and bumper to see how much room I had for things like the thermo relays - it's going to be squashy!!!

By now it is late in the day so I had dinner and put the kids to bed after my wife left for volleyball. Not looking forward to the hot day forecast tomorrow, I broke out my new dual flood lights (1000W of light! yay!) and installed the EL K-frame. Now that was fun on ones own :) First up I dragged it onto my engine crane and wheeled it under the car (eventually). Using the hook over the top, I attached a chain in a cradle formation and started hoisting the K frame up under the car. However, I couldn't get the balance point right because the crane wouldn't go forward enough so only the front of the frame was lifting. Got out the floor jack but it wouldn't fit under the rear part. So I then jacked up what I could of the back so I could put a couple of blocks underneath. Eventually I managed to get the jack in place and started the fine balance between the crane, the jack and pushing/pulling the frame until it was finally hard up against the chassis rails. To this point I have the main nuts and bolts in and the struts just sitting in their respective holes. The remainder will be finished off tomorrow morning when I intend to put some wheels on, drop the front off the stands and move to the back to do the diff.

Until then (with pics of some stuff from today - goodnight!

Cheers
RD

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:04 am 
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Sounds like you're a good keen man there RDude.

Am interested if you could simply tell me what colour wires on the EL loom do the reversing lights to the boot. No worries tho, I can find it myself simply enough too.

See - I have the after market VN Commodore lamp option and they have INDICATOR, BRAKE and REVERSE built into them so I can finally move towards taking the reversing lights out the tailgate after the next warrant of fitness... I don't want to pay another $350 to get one little thing like that certified so am going to pull off the hub adapters (and put my old mags back on with any luck), take off the rear swaybar and get car back to standard on those things that could require a new certification. Then can put them all back on and with the other changes I am planing can get a new cert next time a warrant of fitness is due (six months).

All good RD. Have you found the front bumper sensor for the climate control?
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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:48 am 
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fiend wrote:
Sounds like you're a good keen man there RDude.

Am interested if you could simply tell me what colour wires on the EL loom do the reversing lights to the boot. No worries tho, I can find it myself simply enough too.

See - I have the after market VN Commodore lamp option and they have INDICATOR, BRAKE and REVERSE built into them so I can finally move towards taking the reversing lights out the tailgate after the next warrant of fitness... I don't want to pay another $350 to get one little thing like that certified so am going to pull off the hub adapters (and put my old mags back on with any luck), take off the rear swaybar and get car back to standard on those things that could require a new certification. Then can put them all back on and with the other changes I am planing can get a new cert next time a warrant of fitness is due (six months).

All good RD. Have you found the front bumper sensor for the climate control?

Keen? Maybe.... I am on a deadline of Monday Feb 2 so I can take my daughter to dancing at 4pm :)

No idea on the wiring buddy, I just pulled and installed the whole loom, and the tailgate is coming across as 1 piece!

I have an ambient sensor now, just have to figure out how to mount it. Will probably do that when I am stuffing around with the air bag sensor that goes into the grill area as well...

Cheers
RD

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:20 am 
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RD

Good to hear that my new tailgate and C Pillar Trims are just about ready to pick up. LOL

Ehem

Again you are making great progress. And really, if it all just plugged and played I know you would have been dissapointed. Having to mod it makes all the more personal, and you will have a greater sense of achievement and satisfaction when it is all done and you are driving around in it.

Cheers
BenJ

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:20 am 
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racedirector wrote:
In the ED, on the right hand rear side is a block of relays along with another black box (WTF is that for?!).


The block of relays is for the older "non mooing cow" sounding lock actuator. You can keep the relays and wire them to suit the newer EL wiring.

As for the black box in your ED, that is the control unit for your rear wiper.

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:02 pm 
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BenJ wrote:
RD

Good to hear that my new tailgate and C Pillar Trims are just about ready to pick up. LOL

Ha! Yup, the tailgate is almost ready to go one so I can button up the wiring back there. The C pillar trims however will be staying as I decided to keep some as spares - just incase. Sorry 'bout that...

BenJ wrote:
Ehem

Again you are making great progress. And really, if it all just plugged and played I know you would have been dissapointed. Having to mod it makes all the more personal, and you will have a greater sense of achievement and satisfaction when it is all done and you are driving around in it.

Cheers
BenJ

You are 100% correct. Through all my frustration is actually a sense accomplishment and enjoyment. Most of the time just sitting back and nutting things out makes a big difference!

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racedirector wrote:
In the ED, on the right hand rear side is a block of relays along with another black box (WTF is that for?!).


The block of relays is for the older "non mooing cow" sounding lock actuator. You can keep the relays and wire them to suit the newer EL wiring.

As for the black box in your ED, that is the control unit for your rear wiper.

Ah thanks matey. For now I won't be tinkering with any wiring so I will keep the relays and a section of wiring for later consideration :)

Cheers
RD

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:42 pm 
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So, pics from yesterday:

Rejected ED cabin wiring etc - go away evil infested mess!!!
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The mess that is the dash area:
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The EL K frame installed:
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The two airbag mounts extracted from the EL:
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So, onto today....

After finishing up the front suspension I turned to the next thing. Got my hole saws today so I worked out where the handbrake hole should be and....

Oh no, there's a hole in the floor!!!
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That's OK, I filled it with something :)
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There is the same depression in the floor in both cars, it's just the ED's was covered up just begging to have a hole bored in it!

Then it was on to geting the airbag mounts in.

The sensor mount was simple once the location wass found via the firewall padding:
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The controller however got me thinking. If I was to drill out the spot welds on the old ED mount I would have holes in the leaf tray under the windscreen, not good on rainy days with water dripping into the dash loom! So I modified the controller mount to fit around the old one and then only had to drill two holes for the mounting screws. The holes were drilled and the mount was attached with plenty of blue silicon inbetween and all over the screws to ensure no leakage. This is the end result:
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As the heat outside increased I decided to try one thing that has been bugging me......

Look Ma, No door!!!! :)
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I have already fitted the EL door, had to adjust the door mounts to get it to close. Not too sure about it yet, it was easier than converting an ED door to use all the EL stuff but I know the color difference is going to bug me. The jury is still out on this one.....

So, until it cools down a little, thats it from me for now. I will be continuing later so there could be more updates for today to come.

Cheers
RD

 

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 Post subject: Re: RD's EDL Hybrid Wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:53 pm 
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pics of EL door on ED?

 

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