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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:37 am 
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hello, im wondering if an earlier model say e series btr will fit into a bf as the bf has a fried gearbox and am looking for a cheap repair

 

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 Post subject: Re: bf 4 speed
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:40 am 
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Nope. BA or BF auto only.
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:43 am 
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good luck with the cheapness my mate tuddy has like crushed 2 gearboxes in his BA XR6

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:52 am 
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what is it with people lunching b series 4 speeds ?

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:54 am 
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The more recent the model Ford make, the cheaper the components and quality of components they build it with.

Hence, everything explodes easier.

The internals of an E-series box are stronger than a B-series box. To the point that when a lunched B-series box goes back for warranty repair, it gets E-series stuf put into it to make it last.
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:06 am 
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wouldn't have anything to do with over 50 more kw and a few hundred more kilos quadrupling the load on the poor thing?
agreed it's old hat but you can't expect to buy any 4 speed falcon and expect to drive it like a race car for long.
Same as the failing half shafts, what do you want out of a taxi spec falcon ? I feel sorry for alot of the cars on here prematurely failing due to abuse. Some people have more money than brains. (not directed at anyone in particular)

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:11 am 
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ya get the heros... lol

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:15 am 
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wouldn't have anything to do with over 50 more kw and a few hundred more kilos quadrupling the load on the poor thing?


Nope... Even the guys that build them all day every day say the internal components are weaker.

Drums and a*** are just not as strong. Hence why they replace them with E-series components, as they are stronger and can handle abuse better.

When Ford went from EL to AU, the MTBF for the autos went from 250,000km to 200,000km. Quality and cost cutting measures on Fords behalf.

And there is only a 30kw and minimal torque difference between the 2 engines, not 50+. I wouldn't think enough to have boxes implode prematurely they way they do.
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:51 pm 
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:20 pm 
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so your saying that if you dropped a b series box into a slower and lighter shell it would suffer the same fate in the same time ? i think people are pissing in your pocket or they are misled themselves. the life expectancy dropped just like ford planned since dropping the dipstick.
It's ford engineering, been that way for more than 30 years....develop a nice car thats programmed to detonate straight after warranty. Do you know how much it takes to develop a new car in todays financial environment ? i'm not going to say i do but i do run my own business and things are a lot harder to get off the ground these days. car manufacturers make little off new car sales, they moneys in the parts and factory service labour.

no cars these days are as reliable as they used to be, it's all about lean manufacturing, it's not just a matter of using cheaper parts, however i do agree that materials are probably a lesser standard than used in earlier boxes. It's about making a product as cheaply as possible to achieve ONLY what it was designed for, which was basic transportation, not big stalls and neutral bangs.

I agree that things aren't what they use to be, look at the body metal - panels are thinner due to more internal integral structual strength, where as the panels on older cars added to structual strength in an accident later model cars are designed to crumble but with more internal strength around the cabin.

It's just a matter of times changing not ford being cheaper than usual....

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:43 pm 
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and just to add to that....
Ford MPFI 4.1 (XF) - 123kw @ 4000rpm & 328nm @ 3000
Ford SEFI 4.0 (AU) - 157kw @ 4900rpm & 357nm @ 3000
Ford Barra 190 (BF) - 190kw @ 5250rpm & 383 @ 2500

dunno bout you but i dunno how many mods are financially possible to get your SOHC performing like a barra....

more power & torque @ less revs = more load. Loads that box wasn't designed for 20 years ago......

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:02 pm 
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Missed the point.. still lol.
The internal components are weaker, the fact that the BA is heavier and has more power just brings it to the fore earlier.

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:10 pm 
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Well... This is the word from the mechanics that work in the Ford authorised warranty repair centre. The guys that are trained by BTR or ION or whatever they are called now, on how to repair these boxes and what to do in given circumstances.

So basically the guys that work on them and fix them on a daily basis who know a s**t load more about the design and problems than you or me. If you don't believe me, you can go chat to them.

Who really gives a f**k how much it costs to design something. It's got nothing to do with the quality of the components that go into end product. You could spend $50mil designing and testng a product, and it works well... Then you send in the accountants to say "maybe if we didnt heat treat so well and used a lesser grade steel we can save $5 per box", then we end up with an low quality inferior product that breaks easier, even in standard use.

There are plenty of 4, 5 and 6 speeds that are dying under normal use.

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however i do agree that materials are probably a lesser standard than used in earlier boxes.


So basically you are now saying you agree with me. The internals of these boxes are probably of a lesser standard than earlier boxes.

And considering engine outputs and vehicle weights (by your own argument) have increased during this time, should it not be they are using stronger components to compensate. The fact that manufacturers cut back in these vital areas that determine how reliable and long lasting their products are is pretty s**t.

Ford, like all manufacturers, are cutting back component quality in areas customers cant see to save $$$, to the detriment of their customers.

So, sorry, your stories of lean manufacturing and development costs and what things were designed for 20 years ago compared to now, etc, etc dont gel with me. Car dealers make very little off new car sales. Car manufacturers like Ford Aus make lots of money off new car sales. How do you think they can turn a profit like they have when the factory is running at build rates less than break even.
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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:24 pm 
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People just cant drive :P

 

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Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:32 pm 
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that, and the lack of, if any servicing on the transmission....
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